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MSU vs. NU: Offense vs. Defense

Michigan State Spartans

Left-to-right: Spartans Keith Mumphery and Aaron Burbridge; Huskers Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Ciante Evans.

Keith Mumphery and Aaron Burbridge will tussle with a Nebraska secondary featuring Stanley Jean-Baptiste and Ciante Evans ...

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    • Big question for me: Can MSU score 2 touchdowns in regulation for just the second time in Big 10 play this year?

      SpartanRocky

    • SpartanRocky said...

      Big question for me: Can MSU score 2 touchdowns in regulation for just the second time in Big 10 play this year?

      facepalm_msu

      Walter_Sanchez

    • Walter_Sanchez said...

      facepalm_msu

      Sad thing is, 2 TDs in regulation would have been enough to beat both Iowa and Michigan. It's appropriate to laugh and cry at that stat.

      SpartanRocky

    • YOU THE MAN NOW RODKY!

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      Brodson

    • A) Neb is a much different team at home vs. on the road

      B) This is still a D that gave up 653 yards to UCLA and 498 yards and 63 points to tosu, both games on the road. uw hit them for 27 in Lincoln, and NW hit them for 28 in Lincoln. They are 55th in the nation overall for points against.

      Reading this preview, you make their D sound far better than nd, uw, bsu and everyone else. Yet the fact is only um without shoelaces, Idaho State and Ark State all scored less than then 20, and all three of those games were at Lincoln. This IS NOT a shutdown D. And this D has twice been scorched in crazy, crazy ways. Additionally, they lost a starting DT who quit the team after the UCLA game.

      mentalstate

    • mentalstate said...

      A) Neb is a much different team at home vs. on the road

      B) This is still a D that gave up 653 yards to UCLA and 498 yards and 63 points to tosu, both games on the road. uw hit them for 27 in Lincoln, and NW hit them for 28 in Lincoln. They are 55th in the nation overall for points against.

      Reading this preview, you make their D sound far better than nd, uw, bsu and everyone else. Yet the fact is only um without shoelaces, Idaho State and Ark State all scored less than then 20, and all three of those games were at Lincoln. This IS NOT a shutdown D. And this D has twice been scorched in crazy, crazy ways. Additionally, they lost a starting DT who quit the team after the UCLA game.

      We keep going around and around about this, but UCLA and tOSU run systems completely different than MSU's . Nebraska's scheme tails very nicely to MSU's O.

      There are good and bad match-ups for every defensive and offensive scheme out there. IU's short passing game in the flats wrecked havoc on MSU's base Cover 4. Does that mean that MSU's D is bad? No, it just means that there's an area that can be exploited.

      For Nebraska, they give up QB runs and crossing routes. Neither of those are particular strengths of MSU's D. They also force running plays to the outside, something MSU is not good at capitalizing on. If you watch the game vs. UCLA, James Franklin is able to beat the Nebraska LBs to the edge. Franklin is much faster than Bell; MSU cannot replicate those plays successfully.

      Nebraska is also blitz happy, and that's not exactly something the OL has handled well this year. NU has speed rushers to the outside, something France has struggled with, and their physical man to man coverage takes away a lot of the short routes.

      What match-up would you give MSU an "even" edge on (I don't think you'd go so far as to give MSU the edge on any O category)? The passing O vs. passing D is a bad match-up in terms of scheme, MSU has a RB who can't bounce the ball outside and the Spartan OL hasn't handled speed rushes well. Nebraska may not be a world-beating D, but they're better in all 3 phases than the Spartan O right now.

      SpartanRocky

    • SpartanRocky said...

      We keep going around and around about this, but UCLA and tOSU run systems completely different than MSU's . Nebraska's scheme tails very nicely to MSU's O.

      There are good and bad match-ups for every defensive and offensive scheme out there. IU's short passing game in the flats wrecked havoc on MSU's base Cover 4. Does that mean that MSU's D is bad? No, it just means that there's an area that can be exploited.

      For Nebraska, they give up QB runs and crossing routes. Neither of those are particular strengths of MSU's D. They also force running plays to the outside, something MSU is not good at capitalizing on. If you watch the game vs. UCLA, James Franklin is able to beat the Nebraska LBs to the edge. Franklin is much faster than Bell; MSU cannot replicate those plays successfully.

      Nebraska is also blitz happy, and that's not exactly something the OL has handled well this year. NU has speed rushers to the outside, something France has struggled with, and their physical man to man coverage takes away a lot of the short routes.

      What match-up would you give MSU an "even" edge on (I don't think you'd go so far as to give MSU the edge on any O category)? The passing O vs. passing D is a bad match-up in terms of scheme, MSU has a RB who can't bounce the ball outside and the Spartan OL hasn't handled speed rushes well. Nebraska may not be a world-beating D, but they're better in all 3 phases than the Spartan O right now.

      I think any team with a healthy DE lined up over France will have some success, and I also think our team is learning to adjust for it.

      As for edges, as you mentioned, it depends on how "physical" Neb is allowed to be. One thing we've seen the last 2 games is our WRs get open in zones and beat man coverage. We've also seen the difference Sims makes. And Neb struggled against UCLA's big TE.

      As for the "mobile" QB thing, Hundley threw the ball 33 times for 305 yards & 4 TDs, only ran 12 times for 53. Their TB had 217 yards on 26 carries. That's 4 TDs in the air against this D-backfield. And Their TB has has three big games- against Rice, ASU... and Neb.

      I also think that Bell & LT vs. a bunch of 210-pound LBs wins over the course of the game. Especially running behind Treadwell. pulling behind McDonald. To also be fair to Hill, I believe it was Dan that broke down his runs, and I think it was on 3 out of 4, a certain OL got beat badly and the DE was right there to meet Hill nearly at the handoff.

      If Maxwell makes the right read, I feel can can score more than 2 TDs against a D that's let every decent O score at least 20 on them.

      This post was edited by mentalstate on 10/31/2012 at 3:12 PM

      mentalstate

    • SpartanRocky said...

      We keep going around and around about this, but UCLA and tOSU run systems completely different than MSU's . Nebraska's scheme tails very nicely to MSU's O.

      There are good and bad match-ups for every defensive and offensive scheme out there. IU's short passing game in the flats wrecked havoc on MSU's base Cover 4. Does that mean that MSU's D is bad? No, it just means that there's an area that can be exploited.

      For Nebraska, they give up QB runs and crossing routes. Neither of those are particular strengths of MSU's D. They also force running plays to the outside, something MSU is not good at capitalizing on. If you watch the game vs. UCLA, James Franklin is able to beat the Nebraska LBs to the edge. Franklin is much faster than Bell; MSU cannot replicate those plays successfully.

      Nebraska is also blitz happy, and that's not exactly something the OL has handled well this year. NU has speed rushers to the outside, something France has struggled with, and their physical man to man coverage takes away a lot of the short routes.

      What match-up would you give MSU an "even" edge on (I don't think you'd go so far as to give MSU the edge on any O category)? The passing O vs. passing D is a bad match-up in terms of scheme, MSU has a RB who can't bounce the ball outside and the Spartan OL hasn't handled speed rushes well. Nebraska may not be a world-beating D, but they're better in all 3 phases than the Spartan O right now.

      not even a chuckle?...lighten up rodky!!

      Brodson

    • Brodson said...

      not even a chuckle?...lighten up rodky!!

      I'm laughing on the inside. Can't you tell?

      SpartanRocky

    • Evidently you haven't been paying attention to current events? Sounds like game over?

      This post was edited by rob on 10/31/2012 at 5:55 PM

      rob

    • SpartanRocky said...

      Sad thing is, 2 TDs in regulation would have been enough to beat both Iowa and Michigan. It's appropriate to laugh and cry at that stat.

      roflmao
      ...
      ...
      ...
      cry

      TheAxMan

    • rob said...

      Evidently you haven't been paying attention to current events? Sounds like game over?

      In terms of launching multiple 75 yard drives for TDs? Yea, that ain't happening. Doesn't mean the game is over though, there are two other phases to the game, after all, and both can have a major impact on the MSU O.

      SpartanRocky

    • SpartanRocky said...

      Doesn't mean the game is over though, there are two other phases to the game, after all, and both can have a major impact on the MSU O.

      You're such a tease lol thumbsup

      rob

    • rob said...

      You're such a tease lolthumbsup

      lol Gotta keep it interesting, right? I actually didn't have time to type out more.

      What I mean is that defense and special teams are going to have to set up MSU's offense. I think the Spartans can pick up 25-30 yards on this defense every couple of drives; depending on where their field position is, that means either a punt or a FG attempt. There will be one good drive I think for a TD, and the rest of the scoring drives will need a short field (starting past the MSU 35). That falls on the defense and special teams; the D to hold Nebraska to minimal yardage, and the special teams to continuously push field position. Nebraska has one of the worst PR D's in the country; now's the time for AJ Sims to show what he can do.

      SpartanRocky

    • Keep in mind Taylor has another high ankle sprain... huge factor in play now.

      Also no capable backup.

      joshwfo

    • joshwfo said...

      Keep in mind Taylor has another high ankle sprain... huge factor in play now.

      Also no capable backup.

      Oh don't worry, that's being covered in tomorrow's "Nebraska's O vs. Michigan State's D" preview biggrin

      SpartanRocky

    • SpartanRocky said...

      Oh don't worry, that's being covered in tomorrow's "Nebraska's O vs. Michigan State's D" preview biggrin

      Dont forget the OL injuries and DL injuries... also lost our bruiser FB.

      joshwfo

    • joshwfo said...

      Dont forget the OL injuries and DL injuries... also lost our bruiser FB.

      Don't talk to me about OL injuries.

      Macks

    • joshwfo said...

      Dont forget the OL injuries and DL injuries... also lost our bruiser FB.

      DL injuries? I have 3 DTs and 3 DEs in the main playing group

      SpartanRocky

    • We have 1 DT notice all DE's playing for us... yup not good. OL have you seen our OL??? Yikes.

      joshwfo

    • joshwfo said...

      We have 1 DT notice all DE's playing for us... yup not good. OL have you seen our OL??? Yikes.

      Thad Randle is a DE?

      SpartanRocky

    • Well since last week's return of the decimated secretaries worked so well, here you go:

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      Misterray

    • SpartanRocky said...

      I'm laughing on the inside. Can't you tell?

      no cry

      Brodson

    • Brodson said...

      no cry

      lol

      Better?

      huh

      SpartanRocky

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