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2015 & 2016 B1G football schedule out tomorrow

  • T-Pain said...

    ^^^^ Pussy

    You know how much love the computers will give us because of our SOS?

    the "computers" will be done by then.

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  • saleemyas3 said...

    if it goes as planned

    12-13: Maxwell 14-15: Cook (RS Jr when he takes over) 16-17: O'Connor (RS Jr when he takes over) 18-19: Terry (RS Jr when he takes over)

    assuming no attrition and seniority wins on the field as well

    ...What?

    Assuming 1 redshirt year:

    Cook: 2012-15
    O'Connor: 2013-2016
    Terry: 2014-2017

    I'm not sure how you managed to get those numbers out there.

    This post was edited by Macks on 5/21/2012 at 2:42 PM

    Macks

  • T-Pain said...

    ^^^^ Pussy

    You know how much love the computers will give us because of our SOS?

    This isn't basketball. SOS has very little bearing in CFB.

    The game is played by being the BCS conf. team with the best record at the end of the year. 13-0 trumps 12-1, etc. A tough schedule is good; murderer's row does nothing good for your team.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Macks said...

    ...What?

    Assuming 1 redshirt year:

    Cook: 2012-15 O'Connor: 2013-2016 Terry: 2014-2018

    I'm not sure how you managed to get those numbers out there.

    Terry's a '13 recruit.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • PSU will be in shambles for many years.

    ByTor20084

  • Macks said...

    ...What?

    Assuming 1 redshirt year:

    Cook: 2012-15 O'Connor: 2013-2016 Terry: 2014-2018

    I'm not sure how you managed to get those numbers out there.

    here we go

    12: maxwell rs jr, cook rs fresh, oconnor fresh
    13: maxwell rs sr, cook rs soph, oconnor rs frsh, terry fresh
    14: cook rs jr, oconnor rs soph, terry rs fresh, 14 Qb Fresh
    15: cook rs sr, oconnor rs jr, terry rs soph, 14QB rs fresh, 15QB fresh
    16: oconnor rs sr, terry rs jr, 14 QB rs soph, 15QB rs fresh, 16 QB fresh

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  • saleemyas3 said...

    if it goes as planned

    12-13: Maxwell
    14-15: Cook (RS Jr when he takes over)
    16-17: O'Connor (RS Jr when he takes over)
    18-19: Terry (RS Jr when he takes over)

    assuming no attrition and seniority wins on the field as well

    edit: i do not think i did that right.

    You're 2 years off on Terry

    13- Redshirt
    14- RS Frosh
    15- RS Soph
    16- RS Junior
    17- RS Senior

    TPain151807

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Terry's a '13 recruit.

    yep so he will be a true fresh fall of 13. he was right, i was wrong

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  • chairman meow said...

    I'm still not a fan of the Bama series at all. I hope we find a reason to cancel it.

    2016 includes: @Alabama ND @Michigan OSU Nebraska @PSU

    We could go 8-4 or worse, assuming we are still as strong a program then as we are now, for no good reason other than we wanted to show how "tough" we are by taking on the best program in the country in week one.

    Well, it'll be great publicity when the rest of the big conferences are being criticized for for their ridiculous creampuff nonsense. The media will be on our nuts and recruits want to play games against other big time programs. MSU will get lots of props around the country by playing teams like Alabama and Oregon in 4 consecutive years.

    Just as long as we don't get absolutely throttled like in the cap one bowl, it will be great for us.

    Plus, what makes it awesome is that they are campus sites. Tailgating and seeing teams like Alabama/Oregon in Spartan Stadium is going to be awesome.

    All Ages Shows

  • All Ages Shows said...

    Well, it'll be great publicity when the rest of the big conferences are being criticized for for their ridiculous creampuff nonsense. The media will be on our nuts and recruits want to play games against other big time programs. MSU will get lots of props around the country by playing teams like Alabama and Oregon in 4 consecutive years.

    Just as long as we don't get absolutely throttled like in the cap one bowl, it will be great for us.

    Plus, what makes it awesome is that they are campus sites. Tailgating and seeing teams like Alabama/Oregon in Spartan Stadium is going to be awesome.

    I'm confident that we'll be more competitive than we were in Orlando. Our team that year was an 8-4 or 9-3 team that overachieved. Alabama was a 11-1 or 12-0 that underachieved. Bama will still be supremely talented by then, but we'll have made a significant talent upgrade.

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  • T-Pain said...

    ^^^^ Pussy

    You know how much love the computers will give us because of our SOS?

    lol We'll be the first 8-4 team ever to get a BCS at-large bid!!!!!!!!!!

    The goal of a college football program is winning, period. Not showing how big your balls are by setting yourself up with a gauntlet schedule....you don't get shit for that if you can't win them all. Only winning matters. We are shooting ourselves in the foot by making it harder on ourselves than our competitors will be with their schedules.

    This post was edited by chairman meow on 5/21/2012 at 2:36 PM

    chairman meow

  • chairman meow said...

    lol We'll be the first 8-4 team ever to get a BCS at-large bid!!!!!!!!!!

    The goal of a college football program is winning, period. Not showing how big your balls are by setting yourself up with a gauntlet schedule....you don't get shit for that if you can't win them all. Only winning matters. We are shooting ourselves in the foot by making it harder on ourselves than our competitors will be with their schedules.

    Nah, bro. UConn already blazed that trail for us. They were like the Rosa Parks of mediocre football teams.

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  • Final Countdown said...

    Nah, bro. UConn already blazed that trail for us. They were like the Rosa Parks of mediocre football teams.

    They got an auto-bid, though.

    chairman meow

  • chairman meow said...

    They got an auto-bid, though.

    "Murduer's Row" non-con schedule in no way hurts your chances at an auto-bid.

    Last year Wisconsin went to the Rose Bowl with 2 conference losses. Imagine they played tough teams instead of cream puffs in the non-con and went 2-2. They'd have been playing in the Rose Bowl despite going 8-4 in the regular season. My good buddy is a uofm fan and he keeps telling me michigan will go 8-4 this year...but still go to the rose bowl because 6-2 with a win over MSU will get them to Indy.I dont think it will play out that way but I'm just saying. With the new divisions you can lose a lot of games and end up with the auto bid.

    Ol Drippy21167

  • Ol' Drippy said...

    "Murduer's Row" non-con schedule in no way hurts your chances at an auto-bid.

    Last year Wisconsin went to the Rose Bowl with 2 conference losses. Imagine they played tough teams instead of cream puffs in the non-con and went 2-2. They'd have been playing in the Rose Bowl despite going 8-4 in the regular season. My good buddy is a uofm fan and he keeps telling me michigan will go 8-4 this year...but still go to the rose bowl because 6-2 with a win over MSU will get them to Indy.I dont think it will play out that way but I'm just saying. With the new divisions you can lose a lot of games and end up with the auto bid.

    Any chance of an NC bid pretty much goes out the window after your first loss now; 2-losses would likely keep you out in the new "top 4" play-off. A ridiculously tough non-conf doesn't prepare you for conf. play like it does in b-ball; the physicality is different in football.

    Ideally I'd like to see the schedule go: cupcake warm-up, mid-level BCS conf. opponent, high level BCS conf. opponent, Cupcake cool-down before the start of conf. play.

    I think the Big 10 schedule going forward is going to be tough enough without 2 major games in the non-conf. Take the '15 season: by rights, the 5th toughest big 10 game is going to be Iowa. There were years where Iowa was the #2 toughest game on MSU's schedule.

    I agree with Chairman Meow; the goal of CFB is to win, not to show that you have the biggest balls in the room with a bat$*(&% crazy schedule.

    For reference, look how worn out MSU looked this year after playing Michigan and Wisconsin at home, then traveling to Nebraska. Mind you, there was a Bye week prior to the UM game. MSU is not hurting for relevant national games; play 1 marquee non-conf. opponent and use the rest of the games to get the kinks out without really risking an L.

    The final point, at least for the final years of the BCS, is that while you can earn an auto-bid at 8-4, doing so eliminates any chance you have at an at-large bid. If MSU doesn't lose to ND last year, they're likely in the Sugar Bowl ahead of UM. 4-0 in the non-conf is pretty much a requirement for an At-Large BCS bid, so why limit yourself to 1 bite at the apple?

    Please understand that I'm not saying that MSU should go for all 3 directional Michigan schools + Jacksonville State every year; there should be at least one challenging game on there. At the same time, scheduling FSU, USC, Oregon and Bama in the same season that MSU has to play @UM, tOSU, Nebraska, @PSU, Iowa is just stupid.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Any chance of an NC bid pretty much goes out the window after your first loss now; 2-losses would likely keep you out in the new "top 4" play-off. A ridiculously tough non-conf doesn't prepare you for conf. play like it does in b-ball; the physicality is different in football.

    Ideally I'd like to see the schedule go: cupcake warm-up, mid-level BCS conf. opponent, high level BCS conf. opponent, Cupcake cool-down before the start of conf. play.

    I think the Big 10 schedule going forward is going to be tough enough without 2 major games in the non-conf. Take the '15 season: by rights, the 5th toughest big 10 game is going to be Iowa. There were years where Iowa was the #2 toughest game on MSU's schedule.

    I agree with Chairman Meow; the goal of CFB is to win, not to show that you have the biggest balls in the room with a bat$*(&% crazy schedule.

    For reference, look how worn out MSU looked this year after playing Michigan and Wisconsin at home, then traveling to Nebraska. Mind you, there was a Bye week prior to the UM game. MSU is not hurting for relevant national games; play 1 marquee non-conf. opponent and use the rest of the games to get the kinks out without really risking an L.

    The final point, at least for the final years of the BCS, is that while you can earn an auto-bid at 8-4, doing so eliminates any chance you have at an at-large bid. If MSU doesn't lose to ND last year, they're likely in the Sugar Bowl ahead of UM. 4-0 in the non-conf is pretty much a requirement for an At-Large BCS bid, so why limit yourself to 1 bite at the apple?

    Please understand that I'm not saying that MSU should go for all 3 directional Michigan schools + Jacksonville State every year; there should be at least one challenging game on there. At the same time, scheduling FSU, USC, Oregon and Bama in the same season that MSU has to play @UM, tOSU, Nebraska, @PSU, Iowa is just stupid.

    What youre saying makes sense. I guess it just comes down to what your goals are.

    Personally, I'm "Rose Bowl or Bust" every year. After that it's all the same pretty much. I know MSU "missed out" on the Sugar Bowl last year because of the ND loss. Frankly I didn't see a difference between the Sugar bowl and Outback bowl. I guess one is supposed to have more prestige. I just view them as 2 bowls that are good (Because they're after new years and involve bcs conferences) but not THAT good (becasue neither of them are the Rose Bowl). So I wasn't too upset.

    As for the national title implications, that'd be nice I guess but I still feel it's a long shot and even if they do this 4 team playoff I feel the winner won't be legitimate. Until you can get autobids to the playoff by winning your league it's just more of the same computer crap.

    I do agree that a tough early schedule can beat you up for the rest of the season. Although that didn't seem to hurt the '87 team. USC, ND, and FSU. Went to the Rose Bowl with 8-2-1 record.

    Ol Drippy21167

  • Ol' Drippy said...

    What youre saying makes sense. I guess it just comes down to what your goals are.

    Personally, I'm "Rose Bowl or Bust" every year. After that it's all the same pretty much. I know MSU "missed out" on the Sugar Bowl last year because of the ND loss. Frankly I didn't see a difference between the Sugar bowl and Outback bowl. I guess one is supposed to have more prestige. I just view them as 2 bowls that are good (Because they're after new years and involve bcs conferences) but not THAT good (becasue neither of them are the Rose Bowl). So I wasn't too upset.

    As for the national title implications, that'd be nice I guess but I still feel it's a long shot and even if they do this 4 team playoff I feel the winner won't be legitimate. Until you can get autobids to the playoff by winning your league it's just more of the same computer crap.

    I do agree that a tough early schedule can beat you up for the rest of the season. Although that didn't seem to hurt the '87 team. USC, ND, and FSU. Went to the Rose Bowl with 8-2-1 record.

    Right now, MSU needs to get to a BCS game to cross it off the list. Yes, I understand that a BCS at-large doesn't have the same luster as winning the conference and playing in Pasadena. But from a program prestige standard, a BCS bowl (any BCS bowl) is the next thing on our to-do list. 2013 and 2014 have weak conference schedules and fairly tough non-conference schedules. Those would be great years for winning the B10. This year, the aim should be the Rose Bowl, or failing that, a BCS at-large.

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  • Oct. 24, 2015 and Oct. 22, 2016 are now circled on my calendar!

    Forks Down!

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  • Macks said...

    2012-13 = Maxwell era (O'Connor and Terry redshirt in '12 and '13 respectively) 2014-15 = Cook, O'Connor, Terry, and redshirted 2014 QB are all options, 2015 QB will redshirt 2016 = O'Connor, Terry, 2014 QB, 2015 QB

    Obviously, a lot can happen between now & then, but the 2014 off season could have quite the QB battle with Cook, O'Connor, & Terry all redshirted and ready to compete.

    Depth = Awesome.

    Just1Spartan

  • chairman meow said...

    lol We'll be the first 8-4 team ever to get a BCS at-large bid!!!!!!!!!!

    The goal of a college football program is winning, period. Not showing how big your balls are by setting yourself up with a gauntlet schedule....you don't get shit for that if you can't win them all. Only winning matters. We are shooting ourselves in the foot by making it harder on ourselves than our competitors will be with their schedules.

    who needs an at large? hell we could go 0-4 non-con and still go to the rose bowl at 8-5. w/ the CCG taking an Izzo approach actually helps as you build towards winning your division and getting to Indy.

    pussy.

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    boozhoo

  • I think for the long term MSU needs to increase funding via tickets and donations and it needs to increase its profile nationally. Most assured path without depending on voters, computers, and other external blowhards is to schedule a good non-con.

    MSU controls that and no matter what happen on the field against marquee brands, they'll sell the tickets, get the donations, and be in a big time game early in the year. If they lose, so what, there's still the B1G championship ahead of it, and perhaps they'll be a better team for the conference. If they win, sky is the limit.

    The money gets turned into coaches salaries and facilities. The games are a great recruiting tool for kids to watch and circle their calendar for playing time. It wouldn't hurt either to get down to Texas, Florida, and Georgia.

    dagomike

  • boozhoo said...

    who needs an at large? hell we could go 0-4 non-con and still go to the rose bowl at 8-5. w/ the CCG taking an Izzo approach actually helps as you build towards winning your division and getting to Indy.

    pussy.

    confusedroflmao

    Good lord, are you ever dense. We are not going to go to the Rose Bowl every single year. Unbelievably, there are other good teams in this conference who may go instead. We need as many wins as possible to put us in prime position for an at-large bid in the years that we don't win the conference. The teams that go to BCS bowls, even if they didn't win their conference, are the ones that get all the glory and press. Just look at the crooning over Michigan's really mediocre team stumbling its way into the Sugar Bowl. And by the way, win totals matter. You don't see kids tripping over themselves trying to commit to UConn or WVU.

    Dumbass.

    This post was edited by chairman meow on 5/21/2012 at 4:18 PM

    chairman meow

  • Ol' Drippy said...

    What youre saying makes sense. I guess it just comes down to what your goals are.

    Personally, I'm "Rose Bowl or Bust" every year. After that it's all the same pretty much. I know MSU "missed out" on the Sugar Bowl last year because of the ND loss. Frankly I didn't see a difference between the Sugar bowl and Outback bowl. I guess one is supposed to have more prestige. I just view them as 2 bowls that are good (Because they're after new years and involve bcs conferences) but not THAT good (becasue neither of them are the Rose Bowl). So I wasn't too upset.

    As for the national title implications, that'd be nice I guess but I still feel it's a long shot and even if they do this 4 team playoff I feel the winner won't be legitimate. Until you can get autobids to the playoff by winning your league it's just more of the same computer crap.

    I do agree that a tough early schedule can beat you up for the rest of the season. Although that didn't seem to hurt the '87 team. USC, ND, and FSU. Went to the Rose Bowl with 8-2-1 record.

    I admit to not having a strong affinity for the Rose Bowl and generally view it as one of the BCS bowls, rather than a separate entity. Blasphemy, I know, but . . .

    I try to look at it in terms of outsider's perspectives and what will build the most cred for the program. In that respect, any BCS bowl is better than none. As much as we might say that the Outback Bowl was as big as the Sugar, BCS bowls get a disproportionate amount of hype compared to the lower bowls. It's a selling point to the recruits. ESPN covers the BCS bowls differently than the other bowls; other sports networks "ranking the bowls" usually put the BCS bowls (save the Orange) ahead of the field in terms of quality match-ups, etc.

    For a program that hasn't been to one while 8 other Big 10 programs have (Purdue, Northwestern, tOSU, UM, Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State, Illinois), I'm not about to turn my nose up at an At-Large bid.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • boozhoo said...

    who needs an at large? hell we could go 0-4 non-con and still go to the rose bowl at 8-5. w/ the CCG taking an Izzo approach actually helps as you build towards winning your division and getting to Indy.

    pussy.

    You do realize that the "Izzo approach" does not help in college FB? The amount of pounding that tough teams put on each other leads to poor performance down the road; look at what MSU looked like vs. Nebraska after playing games vs. UM and WI (both at home), and then in the next game vs. Minnesota. A full-strength MSU team should not be beating Minny 31-24 at home; the team was just plain worn down. It happens, even to good, deep teams.

    If MSU scheduled the best of the best for the first 4 games, they aren't going to win the Big 10. Too much of a pounding before facing other top 25 teams like tOSU, Wisconsin, Penn State, UM, Iowa and Nebraska. MSU is playing 5 of those 6 in 2015 and '16, plus Oregon. How much tougher do you want it? MSU isn't like Boise State or something, where a tough non-conf. schedule is needed to gain national respect.

    Just in the conference this season, MSU is facing ranked UM, tOSU, Nebraska and Wisconsin, with Iowa having a solid shot at starting 5-0 and ranked by the time they come to Spartan Stadium in Week 7 (Week 6 is Iowa's bye). Toss in Boise and ND, and you have 6/12 regular season games vs. the top 25. Don't know what else you need to gain respect.

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 5/21/2012 at 4:30 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky