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4 4-star FB commits for Michigan today. Wow

  • St8 Law said...

    What is frustrating is that MSU just does not seem to get that early 4* out of state surprise like other schools. I have heard win and they will come, yet they still choose other schools. Maybe I am being pessimistic but it still seems like coachd is proving it on the field but still has an uphill battle with higher ranked kids. Very frustrating.

    So getting a late 4* out of state surprise (D. Cox) isn't enough now?

    MyWorldEntire

  • Robertoo said...

    what makes you think this? Dillard has probably been here more than the 7 times Bosch has and he still doesnt have an offer. Would like to see him get one myself.

    It tells me they are only planning on taking one guard in this class and they want to make damn sure they have the right one lined up. If they get the feeling Dillard is the best one they will offer.

    I hope he continues to rack up the offers and then chooses us when we offer. Then the star gazers will be happy because he'll have 10-15 BCS offers and will probably be in the low to mid 4-star range.

    Lunchables

  • i cant remember the last cass tech kid who had an impact at michigan was. the only one i can think of in recent years was barksdale at LSU

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  • St8 Law said...

    What is frustrating is that MSU just does not seem to get that early 4* out of state surprise like other schools. I have heard win and they will come, yet they still choose other schools. Maybe I am being pessimistic but it still seems like coachd is proving it on the field but still has an uphill battle with higher ranked kids. Very frustrating.

    It will ALWAYS be an uphill battle for us. We will have to be successful for many more years for that to change. MSU does not have the reputation or prestige that Michigan, ND, OSU and PSU have. It doesn't have the record of putting guys in the NFL like Iowa and Wisconsin have. We have a VERY small recruiting footprint when it comes to elite recruits. Saban himself couldn't succeed on the recruiting trail here.

    All we can do is hope what MD has done so far is enough to keep up. 2009 and Gholston were decidedly flukes, from here on out we're looking at 3-5 top-flight players per year while OSU, Michigan, and ND stock up with 10+. We've got the best coaching staff of the four, so it's best to ignore the recruiting game and wait to get it done on the field.

    chairman meow

  • St8 Law said...

    What is frustrating is that MSU just does not seem to get that early 4* out of state surprise like other schools. I have heard win and they will come, yet they still choose other schools. Maybe I am being pessimistic but it still seems like is proving it on the field but still has an uphill battle with higher ranked kids. Very frustrating.

    You make a valid point. I understand that ALL the kids MD gets are completely sold on MSU & they've taken their time, parents are involved....etc. etc..... But when you look at the need for future OT's & DT's that MSU has, & yet we can't close early on some of these top-end kids,,,,,it is frustrating.

    Just looking down the road 3-4 years at those two positions, we need to start picking up commits from some of the top linemen in the Midwest to feed the pipeline for future success. Hoping that our Jr day next weekend is fruitful in this regard.

    spartanjt77

  • Lunchables said...

    It'd be like U-M fans getting in a tizzy about Reschke going to MSU.

    In-state 2013 so far has been MSU and U-M absorbing the leans. Nothing more. These aren't even 'battles' yet.

    As for Cass Tech... MSU will never get a Cass Tech kid unless the kid has two parents that went to MSU and even then it wouldn't be in the bag. Someone down there has a bug up their ass about MSU and they funnel kids away from going there... plain and simple. Not worth worrying about. Any one associated with Cass Tech or knows their coaching staff who says otherwise is just feeding you the company line.

    The part about Cass Tech isnt true. Don't you remember our RB Dawan Moss? He was from Cass.

    WinnipegSpartan

  • MyWorldEntire said...

    So getting a late 4* out of state surprise (D. Cox) isn't enough now?

    No I think you are missing my point. I read about Bosch and MSU and how things look positive and then all of a sudden, kick in the balls, he chooses scUM. When is the last time we got an early commit from an out-of-state kid that was highly ranked? My frustration is with why can we not do that. What more does coacd D need to prove to these kids? Are you not frustrated by this?

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  • Cthulhu said...

    Hoke is probably very high pressure to get them to commit before they leave, Coach D wants a kid to discuss it with his family. I think it's kind of shitty to play on the emotions of a 17 year old and promise them the world if they commit right then and there.

    Hoke is doing what every coach does and that's fine. I like Coach D's method much better. He wants to make sure every kid truely wants to be a Spartan before they commit and it's working.

    duffy munn

  • Personally i would take thismfrustration over having a kid and losing him. The two arent mutually exclusive and its why coach D has lost one committed recruit ever.

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  • St8 Law said...

    He was terrible.

    Playing as a true Frosh. He would have gotten better.

    GregTTR

  • Haslett Spartan said...

    They are going to run out of scholarships by June at this pace.

    More spots will open up after Big Will decapitates some more of their players this fall.

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    ToxSpartan

  • WinnipegSpartan said...

    The part about Cass Tech isnt true. Don't you remember our RB Dawan Moss? He was from Cass.

    Hahaha one kid 12 years ago? Nice example.

    Lunchables

  • Lunchables said...

    Hahaha one kid 12 years ago? Nice example.

    I guess it is starting to make sense why he left the program in shame.

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  • WinnipegSpartan said...

    The part about Cass Tech isnt true. Don't you remember our RB Dawan Moss? He was from Cass.

    Rod Maples and Archie Collins walked on or did he have a scholarship.

    That was in Wilchers first year or 2 and Saban was the MSU coach then though.

    Also for everyone asking about contributors from CT, while CT has produced a lot of high D1 football players in the past 10 years it has probably been overrated. In the next few years CT should be producing d1 players like they have in 2012 thru 2014. So its pretty important for MSU to get into there soon.

    Barksdale -LSU
    Gholston - OSU
    Mathis - Oregon
    Easterly- Mizzou - did he have an MSU offer
    Hollowell - UM
    Campbell -UM
    Th. Gordon -UM
    Cissoko - UM -
    Teric Jone - UM

    2012
    Richardson - UM
    RJS -UM
    Laron Taylor - Iowa no MSU
    Ruben Lile - Iowa - no MSU offer

    I believe That is all of them since 2007 minus the guys who went to Indiana/Illinois that MSU would/mightve wanted.

    This post was edited by Robertoo on 2/18/2012 at 3:24 PM

    Robertoo

  • we already have one 4 star in the espn 150....and one running back in state who im sure will also be a 4 star unless someone knows something I dont please let me know so I dont make a false claim and were also after another running back in wisconsin that is close to committing to us...also a likely 4 star....thats a way better start than last year....also were going to take about 18 players again this year and small classes do not get recognized.

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    But norman is immobile, how will we ever win!!!???!!?

    he's so immobile he returns kicks for his team lol

    jbspartan4life

  • Bosch hurts. The other three were UM locks.

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  • Dr Leo Spaceman said...

    I guess it is starting to make sense why he left the program in shame.

    Yeah, Moss had a nice career but will be remembered for for his arrest after MSU got drilled by U of M (49-3). The '"don't know" game and Moss gets in trouble that very night. If BW wasn't gone yet, Moss helped seal it.

    duffy munn

  • Monty Burns said...

    i cant remember the last cass tech kid who had an impact at michigan was. the only one i can think of in recent years was barksdale at LSU

    Thomas Gordon has actually been one of the more successful ones at Michigan of late and he wasn't that highly-rated coming out of CT. I think he led them in tackles in the Sugar Bowl or was close.

    But I mean let's look at some other sterling examples...

    Will Campbell - need I say more
    Cissoko - think I bought a bag of Frito's from him at 7-11 Wednesday night but not sure
    Teric Jones - bust, not even 3star talent
    Dior Mathis - Oregon has tried to turn him into a slot WR and Dorsey said there was a rumor he tried to transfer here and we said no thanks
    Hollowell - jury still out but 5'8
    Richardson - jury still out but saw him get outclassed at UA Game
    Jenkins-Stone - jury still out, looks like a solid prospect to me but those with better view say he regressed during senior season

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Lunchables on 2/18/2012 at 3:27 PM

    Lunchables

  • St8 Law said...

    What is frustrating is that MSU just does not seem to get that early 4* out of state surprise like other schools. I have heard win and they will come, yet they still choose other schools. Maybe I am being pessimistic but it still seems like coachd is proving it on the field but still has an uphill battle with higher ranked kids. Very frustrating.

    Sure, those are the hardest commits to get. You don't get extra points for early commits. MSU pulled Cox from PA, over tOSU and others. Did it matter that he committed in the last week before signing day, or the March prior?

    UM is off to a great start to recruiting. Same thing happened last year. They've recruited in the top 25 for the past 20 years, and in the top 15 most years. This isn't some shock; their talent has been largely static.

    What's improved is MSU's overall recruiting. Recall that Carr was killing State when they were bringing classes full of JUCOs and twice as many 2-stars as 4-stars. Over the past 4 classes ('09-'12), MSU has brought in twice as many 4-stars as 2-stars, and 2 total JUCOs (White and Fonoti).

    In short, UM's talent is the same as it's always been, and MSU's is improving from its historic levels. It'll take quite a lot of Ws for MSU to have UM's clout nationally, but the Spartans are on their way up. You don't build a winning brand overnight.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • WinnipegSpartan said...

    The part about Cass Tech isnt true. Don't you remember our RB Dawan Moss? He was from Cass.

    Sarcasm?

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  • St8 Law said...

    No I think you are missing my point. I read about Bosch and MSU and how things look positive and then all of a sudden, kick in the balls, he chooses scUM. When is the last time we got an early commit from an out-of-state kid that was highly ranked? My frustration is with why can we not do that. What more does coacd D need to prove to these kids? Are you not frustrated by this?

    I think it's pretty dumb to make a distinction between an early and late commit. As long as we can get a 4* out of state kid, I do not care when it happens.

    MyWorldEntire

  • Who really cares? We are going to do just fine. Shelton will be a commit by next week, Norman is ours to lose and if we want Dillard he is ours. We are also looking good for Kugler from all I have read, and I thought I remember hearing that Jones and Love like MSU a lot. This is going to be a great class for us everyone just needs to chill.

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  • GreenAllDay said...

    obviously meant for michigan

    shrug

    DB Boubacar Cissoko Detroit, Michigan
    Cass Tech
    5'9" 171 N/A
    4 stars
    6.0 4
    Michigan

    DT William Campbell Detroit, Michigan
    Cass Tech
    6'5" 317 N/A
    5 stars
    6.1 5
    Michigan

    LB Royce Jenkins-Stone Detroit, Michigan
    Cass Tech
    6'2" 215 N/A
    4 stars
    5.8 9
    Michigan

    DB Terry Richardson Detroit, Michigan
    Cass Tech
    5'9" 160 N/A
    4 stars
    5.8 18
    Michigan

    DB Delonte Hollowell Detroit, Michigan
    Cass Tech
    5'8" 162 4.7
    3 stars
    5.7 25
    Michigan

    RB Teric Jones Detroit, Michigan
    Cass Tech
    5'9" 186 4.5
    3 stars
    5.7 37
    Michigan

    OL David Dawson Detroit, Michigan
    Cass Tech
    6'5" 305 5.4
    4 stars
    5.8 N/A
    Michigan

    DB Jourdan Lewis Detroit, Michigan
    Cass Tech
    5'11" 170 N/A
    4 stars
    5.8 N/A
    Michigan

    ATH Thomas Gordon Detroit, Michigan
    Cass Tech
    5'11" 199 4.6
    3 stars
    5.5 N/A
    Michigan

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  • Robertoo said...

    Rod Maples and Archie Collins walked on or did he have a scholarship.

    That was in Wilchers first year or 2 and Saban was the MSU coach then though.

    Also for everyone asking about contributors from CT, while CT has produced a lot of high D1 football players in the past 10 years it has probably been overrated. In the next few years CT should be producing d1 players like they have in 2012 thru 2014. So its pretty important for MSU to get into there soon.

    There just comes a time where you have to ask yourself if you're doing all that can be done? Look at all the Detroit-area schools MSU has hit with Dantonio.

    Detroit Southeastern (Ed Davis, Gholston, Burrell, Fred Smith)
    Detroit Renaissance (Law Thomas, Hicks, Dixon, Norman)
    Detroit Crockett (Lippett
    Detroit Denby (Winston)
    Detroit Catholic Central (Palazeti)
    Detroit Country Day (B. Fowler, CD Rucker)
    Orchard Lake St. Mary's (D. Sims)
    Southfield Christian (Calero)
    Southfield Lathrup (Lyles)
    Westland John Glenn (Langford, Martin)
    Livonia Clarenceville (Gainer)
    Livonia Stevenson (Myles White)
    Oak Park (Baker)
    Utica Ford (C. McDonald)
    Brother Rice (Caulton Ray, Reschke)
    Farmington Hills Harrison (Burbridge)

    Sorry for the long post and if I've left anyone out then my bad but a lot of this was just off the top of my head. But as you can see, it's pretty glaring when you look at that and then look at all the prospects (busts or not) that Cass Tech has churned out. Obviously all these staffs have trusted Dantonio enough to send one player and sometimes many more to MSU. Not Cass Tech's staff.

    Lunchables

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