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48÷2(9+3) = ????

  • locd32 said...

    ROFL, did you just take 48/12a and multiply 48 by 12 to get 576/a? ROFL, what math classes have you been taking?

    (48/a)(9+3) is how anyone going left to right reads it. (48/a)*12 = 576/a

    What kind of math recommends using algebra to do arithmetic?

    http://www.silentlapse.com

    Thrillho

  • locd32 said...

    ROFL, did you just take 48/12a and multiply 48 by 12 to get 576/a? ROFL, what math classes have you been taking?

    No, he took 48*(1/2)*12 and multiplied 48*12 to get 576, then divided it by two to get 288. Or maybe he took 48*(1/2)*12, multiplied 48 by (1/2) to get 24, then multiplied that by 12 to get 288. It's called the commutative property, and it allows you to do math.

    Fun fact: This also works with addition and subtraction. You can take 4-2+3, and make it 4+3-2, and you get the same answer! Neat, huh?

    Fishtacos

  • I think this pretty much sums up this thread...

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    Math Babies

    48÷2(9+3) Thanks to Matt H. for the idea.

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    Gus Chiggins

  • Osmo said...

    It's not because they're "stronger", it's because 2(9+3) is a complete expression which must be solved first. Leaving out the parentheses that are implied (2(9+3)), does not change this fact.

    Wrong. So wrong.

    Professor Booty

  • Fishtacos said...

    If there was supposed to be parenthesis around the 2 and the (9+3), then there would be parenthesis around the (9+3).

    It is implied, because as written, 2(9+3) is a complete expression. We don't need to see them to understand what the complete expression is.

    Would you need outer parentheses to solve 2(9+3) by itself? Of course not.

    Osmo

  • Thrillho said...

    (48/a)(9+3) is how anyone going left to right reads it. (48/a)*12 = 576/a

    What kind of math recommends using algebra to do arithmetic?

    Because the problem I posed was an algebra problem?....

    locd32

  • locd32 said...

    Everyone that is arguing "left to right" is just so wrong it's sad. 2(9+3) is the denominator. It must be solved first in order to divide it into 48. If the equation was meant to say that (9+3) was not in the denominator it would read 48/2*(9+3). This isn't hard math people.....

    Where is this rule about implied grouping by adjacence to parentheses? Please point us to it.

    http://www.silentlapse.com

    Thrillho

  • Professor Booty said...

    There is so much fail in this thread.

    The answer is 288 with the way the problem was written by the OP. The problem is written that because it generates an argument. One of two things will happen every time:

    1) People assume that multiplication comes before division, regardless of order
    2) People turn the division sign into a fraction bar, and assume everything that follows it is in the denominator

    I have never in my life heard of multiplication being "stronger" if parentheses are involved. That is a crock of shit.

    Also, anyone depending on their graphing calculator for a problem like this is an idiot. Calculators depend on programs, but they also depend on user input. For example, if you put -2^2 into your calculator, you will get -4 every time, even though we know the answer should be +4. You have to put in (-2)^2 to get your calculator to include the sign. Thus, you often need to insert parentheses in order to get your calculator to perform the indicated operations in the correct order.

    Not sure if it gives me any authority on the subject, but I am a high school math teacher.

    This guy owns.

    Harry Callahan

  • locd32 said...

    Everyone that is arguing "left to right" is just so wrong it's sad. 2(9+3) is the denominator. It must be solved first in order to divide it into 48. If the equation was meant to say that (9+3) was not in the denominator it would read 48/2*(9+3). This isn't hard math people.....

    2(9+3) is not the denominator. 2 is the denominator, If it were (2(9+3)) THEN it would be the denominator.

    There are no such thing as implied parentheses. They are either there, or they are not there. That's the nice thing about mathematics FFS.

    Gomer

  • Bleachers247 said...

    Actually it does not withstanding your stupid racial comments.

    That's what kids in my elementary school called it when they let kids take cuts in line behind them (instead of in front of them.) I was hoping that the quotes around the phrase would convey that I didn't necessarily condone the name of the phrase, but I guess they didn't. apologize if it offended anybody.

    Oh, and it doesn't. If you wanted to do that, you would need the parenthesis. If you need confirmation (and you shouldn't,) plug it into a graphing (not scientific) calculator and see what you get. Type exactly that into it.

    Fishtacos

  • Why shouldn't I work for the N.S.A.... that's a tough one. But I'll take a shot.

    Say I'm working at N.S.A. and somebody puts a code on my desk, something no one else can break. Maybe I take a shot at it and maybe I break it. And I'm real happy with myself, 'cause I did my job well. But maybe that code was the location of some rebel army in North Africa or the Middle East, and once they have that location, they bomb the village where the rebels were hidin'- fifteen hundred people that I never met, never had no problem with get killed.

    Now the politicians are sayin', oh, "Send in the marines to secure the area" 'cause they don't give a shit. It won't be their kid over there, gettin' shot, just like it wasn't them when their number got called, 'cause they were pullin' a tour in the National Guard. It'll be some kid from Southie over there, takin' shrapnel in the ass; he comes back to find that the plant he used to work at got exported to the country he just got back from, and the guy who put the shrapnel in his ass got his old job, 'cause he'll work for fifteen cents a day and no bathroom breaks.

    Meanwhile he realizes the only reason he was over there in the first place was so that we could install a government that would sell us oil at a good price, and of course the oil companies use the little skirmish over there to scare up domestic oil prices- a cute little ancillary benefit for them, but it ain't helping my buddy at two-fifty a gallon. They're takin' their sweet time bringin' the oil back, o' course, maybe they even took the liberty of hiring an alcoholic skipper who likes to drink martinis an' fuckin' play slalom with the icebergs; it ain't too long 'til he hits one, spills the oil and kills all the sea life in the North Atlantic.

    So now my buddy's outta work, he can't afford to drive, so he's walkin' to the fuckin' job interviews, which sucks 'cause the shrapnel in his ass is givin' him chronic hemorrhoids, and meanwhile he's starvin' 'cause every time he tries to get a bite to eat, the only blue plate special they're servin' is North Atlantic scrod with Quaker State.

    So what did I think? I'm holdin' out for somethin' better. I figure fuck it, while I'm at it, why not just shoot my buddy, take his job, give it to his sworn enemy, hike up gas prices, bomb a village, club a baby seal, hit the hash pipe and join the National Guard? I could be elected President.

    Ohh and the answer is 288.

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  • kgbmsu said...

    are you serious??

    yes, but about which is your question?...that the answer is 2, or that being a high school math teacher does not provide dispositive credibility?

    Richard Head

  • Bleachers247 said...

    Actually, yes it does notwithstanding your stupid racial comments.

    Oops sorry wrong response to posted fishhead.

    What I meant to say to prof booty was that i am amazed at school teachers who actually think they know some math.

    I'm having trouble deciphering this statement. Are you implying:

    a) high school teachers don't actually think they know math
    b) high school teachers don't actually know math?

    In either case, I don't think I agree with you.

    Professor Booty

  • Gus Chiggins said...

    I think this pretty much sums up this thread...

    lol +1

    oxi

  • 37

    in a row

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    "I'm just a humble mutha fucker with a big ass dick" -Bunk Moreland

    SpartanNachos

  • Gomer said...

    2(9+3) is not the denominator. 2 is the denominator, If it were (2(9+3)) THEN it would be the denominator.

    There are no such thing as implied parentheses. They are either there, or they are not there. That's the nice thing about mathematics FFS.

    Algebraic principles say otherwise...

    locd32

  • SpartanNachos said...

    37

    in a row

    Wow, that's so much more then 6 in a row.

    locd32

  • Osmo said...

    It is implied, because as written, 2(9+3) is a complete expression. We don't need to see them to understand what the complete expression is.

    Would you need outer parentheses to solve 2(9+3) by itself? Of course not.

    No. Unfortunately for the 2 fan club, we're not solving that by itself, we're solving 48/2(9+3). 2*(9+3) is completely identical to 2(9+3) in every way, shape, and form, except that one take slightly longer to type/write out because there's a little multiplication sign in there. If you wanted 2(9+3) to be solved first, you could do so by putting an additional pair of parenthesis around them.

    Fishtacos

  • I think the moral of the story is, learn to write your fucking equations properly so we don't have this problem

    oxi

  • Has Orangebloods confirmed that it is 288?

    Also, this thread is going on 9+ pages. facepalm_msu

    Cucumber Breath

  • D.Wags said...

    How did you make the divide sign in the title on your computer?

    In Windows, click the start button and type 'character map' into search. It will give you the Alt+ #### for shit loads of characters and symbols

    The Pantry

  • DICK HEAD said...

    Yo Unc

    The answer is 288. Case closed

    You and I can agree to disagree b/c, you know, we're family.....

    Richard Head

  • locd32 said...

    Algebraic principles say otherwise...

    Algebraic principles do not apply to arithmetic. To solve algebra, you go through the opposite of the order of operations.

    http://www.silentlapse.com

    Thrillho

  • Fishtacos said...

    So, you're cool with blanch taking over for Tom Izzo, right?

    Your logic is dizzying.....you're trying to make me give something away, and it won't work.

    Richard Head

  • Thrillho said...

    Algebraic principles do not apply to arithmetic. To solve algebra, you go through the opposite of the order of operations.

    The problem you solved for me was an algebra problem! Yet you still solved it using OoO....

    locd32