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A Game of Thrones: For People Who Have Read the Books SPOILERS

  • @Rocky

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    Victarion has really grown on me and is now one of my favorite characters. I find him hilarious for some strange reason. He has zero tact or any use for shenanigans to get what he wants. He just goes out and gets it. I also found the vision of him sailing across the sea with a group of monkeys infesting the rigging of his ships funny as well. What is going on with his hand is interesting though. Makes me wonder if Mel can pull the same type of stunt with Jon's wounds at the Wall.

    Regarding Rhillor and The Other. I dont think good/evil are the right words to describe them. Some have said on other forums that they might be different sides of the same coin. I feel they are some of both, just like the characters in the series (Jaime is a scumbag, but is now trying to do good things; Ned is noble to a fault; Dany is good-hearted but naive, etc.).

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  • SpartanGrad99 said...

    @Rocky

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    Victarion has really grown on me and is now one of my favorite characters. I find him hilarious for some strange reason. He has zero tact or any use for shenanigans to get what he wants. He just goes out and gets it. I also found the vision of him sailing across the sea with a group of monkeys infesting the rigging of his ships funny as well. What is going on with his hand is interesting though. Makes me wonder if Mel can pull the same type of stunt with Jon's wounds at the Wall.

    Regarding Rhillor and The Other. I dont think good/evil are the right words to describe them. Some have said on other forums that they might be different sides of the same coin. I feel they are some of both, just like the characters in the series (Jaime is a scumbag, but is now trying to do good things; Ned is noble to a fault; Dany is good-hearted but naive, etc.).

    Good point on the Mel and Jon Snow. His death was sudden and given that only he and a few others (Samwell, Master Builder and First Ranger etc..) really understood the threat to the realm from beyond the wall his death might lead to the complete collapse of the north. Which may very well be the plot for the next book, who knows. Just get it edited and to print ASAP.

    "Losing Benenoch is a mortal blow from which this program can't recover"-T-Pain

    Rogue Leader

  • Rogue Leader said...

    Good point on the Mel and Jon Snow. His death was sudden and given that only he and a few others (Samwell, Master Builder and First Ranger etc..) really understood the threat to the realm from beyond the wall his death might lead to the complete collapse of the north. Which may very well be the plot for the next book, who knows. Just get it edited and to print ASAP.

    Thinking that Jon is dead is a huge leap.

    He was stabbed Ceasar-style, yes. Dead? Not so fast, my friend.....

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    Misterray

  • Misterray said...

    Thinking that Jon is dead is a huge leap.

    He was stabbed Ceasar-style, yes. Dead? Not so fast, my friend.....

    I just re read the epilogue and I'm firmly convinced he's warged into Ghost. Tons of clues by Varamyrr Six Skins about how warging works. Remember that Mel told Jon to always have Ghost close to him. And his human body can be preserved in the wall with all of that meat and not degrade. Also the wolf's name is "Ghost", perfect for a dead man.

    My new crackpot theory:

    Now that Jon is "dead" a new Lord Commander can be chosen, then will die and Stannis can be the 1000th lord commander of the Night Watch after Dany defeats him and he takes the black.

    Spartan_MD ●

  • Spartan_MD said...

    I just re read the epilogue and I'm firmly convinced he's warged into Ghost. Tons of clues by Varamyrr Six Skins about how warging works. Remember that Mel told Jon to always have Ghost close to him. And his human body can be preserved in the wall with all of that meat and not degrade. Also the wolf's name is "Ghost", perfect for a dead man.

    My new crackpot theory:

    Now that Jon is "dead" a new Lord Commander can be chosen, then will die and Stannis can be the 1000th lord commander of the Night Watch after Dany defeats him and he takes the black.

    A warged Jon Snow is just, I don't know . . . . lame. I really wanted him to go toe to toe with the Bastard of Bolton.

    Then again, maybe Ghost goes there and tears Ramsay's face off. That would be acceptable.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • SpartanRocky said...

    A warged Jon Snow is just, I don't know . . . . lame. I really wanted him to go toe to toe with the Bastard of Bolton.

    Then again, maybe Ghost goes there and tears Ramsay's face off. That would be acceptable.

    Hmmm.....Another interesting thought.

    If Jon is "dead" but his body is preserved. And he is revived at some point, would he be freed from his vow to the Night Watch? He would have served until his death after all.....

    I could see some interesting Jon as warg plot possibilities:

    1- Warg-Jon reunited with Arya and going after several individuals who need killing.

    2- Warg-Jon reunited with Bran and co. and finding the secret behind the Others

    3- Warg-Jon and Nymeria causing trouble together or with 1 or 2 above

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  • Has there ever been a cliff hanger scene where you don't actually know if the character is dead, where the character actually wound up being dead? It seems to me that Martin has always been pretty straight forward when they were actually dead (see: tRed Wedding). Side note: i love how all i have to do to start a conversation about this series with someone who has read the books is say "So, the Red Wedding..."

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  • SpartanGrad99 said...

    @Rocky

    [MORE SPOILERS] ----

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    Victarion has really grown on me and is now one of my favorite characters. I find him hilarious for some strange reason. He has zero tact or any use for shenanigans to get what he wants. He just goes out and gets it. I also found the vision of him sailing across the sea with a group of monkeys infesting the rigging of his ships funny as well. What is going on with his hand is interesting though. Makes me wonder if Mel can pull the same type of stunt with Jon's wounds at the Wall.

    Regarding Rhillor and The Other. I dont think good/evil are the right words to describe them. Some have said on other forums that they might be different sides of the same coin. I feel they are some of both, just like the characters in the series (Jaime is a scumbag, but is now trying to do good things; Ned is noble to a fault; Dany is good-hearted but naive, etc.).

    What i love about Victarion is how odd of a character archetype he is. It seems constantly like you are being led to view him as a noble, honorable, good-guy protag. But then he will flippantly execute a prisoner, or put a bunch of hot chicks on a boat and burn them to death to appease a god he doesn't even believe exists lol.

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    NdySpartan

  • Just finished Dance With Dragons.

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    Interesting theory I just read about Jon Snow and his parentage (and no way is he dead). There are fans out there who think that Eddard Stark isn't his father, but rather he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. It was never said why Rhaegar "took" Lyanna, why she was confined to the Tower of Joy and protected by 3 of Aerys loyalist Kingsguard, or what promise she made to Ned with her dying breath. It was said that Eddard found Lyanna dying in a "bed of blood" before her last words to him were "Promise me Ned." Perhaps she died in childbirth? Jon Snow's age would be about in line with that timeline. The only person still alive who was there was Howland Reed, who was the only other survivor of the battle along with Ned. The secret promise that Ned kept has to come up yet in some capacity.

    Jimbo Slice

  • Funny this got bumped. Thought it would be about this:

    http://georgerrmartin.com/if-sample.html?2

    Preview from the next book was just released, though only the Crone knows how long that will take.

    The farting birds will stop when the crappy topics do

    Seer

  • Jimbo Slice said...

    Just finished Dance With Dragons.

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    Interesting theory I just read about Jon Snow and his parentage (and no way is he dead). There are fans out there who think that Eddard Stark isn't his father, but rather he is the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. It was never said why Rhaegar "took" Lyanna, why she was confined to the Tower of Joy and protected by 3 of Aerys loyalist Kingsguard, or what promise she made to Ned with her dying breath. It was said that Eddard found Lyanna dying in a "bed of blood" before her last words to him were "Promise me Ned." Perhaps she died in childbirth? Jon Snow's age would be about in line with that timeline. The only person still alive who was there was Howland Reed, who was the only other survivor of the battle along with Ned. The secret promise that Ned kept has to come up yet in some capacity.

    Yup, the the song of ice and fire = Jon snow & daenerys. That has been the working theory, but who can really say everything has been a suprise. The hound is alive and living in peace as a farm hand on that island brianne visited. He was the dude shoveling and his horse was the crazy stallion.

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  • Seer said...

    Funny this got bumped. Thought it would be about this:

    http://georgerrmartin.com/if-sample.html?2

    Preview from the next book was just released, though only the Crone knows how long that will take.

    Thanks for the link! I knew stannis was alive! That bastard Ramsey! We have a long time to wait for the next book...

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  • facepalm_msu

    12 Reasons to Boycott “Game of Thrones” in 2012 | ChristWire

    Sorcery, sexuality and socialism make for a nasty threesome. Yet one television program is not afraid to promote this agenda to Americas about time that parents took notice. Aimed specifically at the male teen demographic, with a specific emphasis on the awkward and the outsiders amongst them, this series is an obscene [...]

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    Trevor Barnes

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    I am a fan of the show and I attend church every week being a practicing Catholic (I know to some Fundamentalists that doesn't make me a Christian but that is another conversation for another day). This show has no bearing on my faith. I don't know why it would. I am not going to go cast spells because people do that on the Game of Thrones. Apparently saying the Lord's prayer and the Nicene Creed every week is not enough and Game of Thrones is threatening that.

    Come on.

    General Grant ●

  • General Grant said...

    I am a fan of the show and I attend church every week being a practicing Catholic (I know to some Fundamentalists that doesn't make me a Christian but that is another conversation for another day). This show has no bearing on my faith. I don't know why it would. I am not going to go cast spells because people do that on the Game of Thrones. Apparently saying the Lord's prayer and the Nicene Creed every week is not enough and Game of Thrones is threatening that.

    Come on.

    For the sake of full disclosure, it is a satire site.

    Trevor Barnes

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    facepalm_msu

    lol

    "Losing Benenoch is a mortal blow from which this program can't recover"-T-Pain

    Rogue Leader

  • Much props to whoever earlier ITT pointed out the Malazan series of books to me as being similar and awesome. After finishing the first one recently ill second the recommendation if anyone is looking for a series to read.

    swizbeatz

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    Pretty good. Had me going for a second until I saw the "foreign dangers" tab at the top of the page. lol

    Zeke4H

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    For the sake of full disclosure, it is a satire site.

    I didn't read the article. Whoops. Lol

    General Grant ●

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    For the sake of full disclosure, it is a satire site.

    I will check the site out. Nice one Trevor.

    General Grant ●

  • So, 6th book due out in . . . 2014?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky ●

  • HBO's web site has a preview of the 2nd season. Filming in N. Ireland. I'm glad HBO is going all out and spending the $$.

    Oh Trevor, you know none of those people believe anything the article says, Since they should never have HBO/Cable/TV/Internet....My brother in-law is like that and he's ban pretty much everything, pretty crazy.

    MSUPosse

  • swizbeatz said...

    Much props to whoever earlier ITT pointed out the Malazan series of books to me as being similar and awesome. After finishing the first one recently ill second the recommendation if anyone is looking for a series to read.

    I just finished the third in the Malazan series and after enjoying, with some confusion, the first two, I loved the third. Looking forward to the next in line.

    I am afraid that the whole world is closer to moral foreclosure.

    Dirk Hardpeck

  • Question for those who've read the Song of Ice and Fire series:

    I blew through the first season of the HBO show in about a week, and absolutely loved it. I have not, however, read the first book. I just downloaded A Clash of Kings last night, but am unsure if I should start reading it when I only have the TV show to go on. From what I've read here and elsewhere on the net, the first season is pretty close to the book, but there are some minor (sometimes literally, heh) differences. Am I ok diving into Clash of Kings, or should I go back and read the first book beforehand?

    ChimRichaldsMD

  • ChimRichaldsMD said...

    Question for those who've read the Song of Ice and Fire series:

    I blew through the first season of the HBO show in about a week, and absolutely loved it. I have not, however, read the first book. I just downloaded A Clash of Kings last night, but am unsure if I should start reading it when I only have the TV show to go on. From what I've read here and elsewhere on the net, the first season is pretty close to the book, but there are some minor (sometimes literally, heh) differences. Am I ok diving into Clash of Kings, or should I go back and read the first book beforehand?

    You will be able to follow it, but read the first book anyway---it's worth it.

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