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SpartanRocky said...

1) That's a divergence, but as long as Roose Bolton takes Harrenhal, it doesn't matter. That's a bigger deal for the Red Wedding and is essential.

2) Brotherhood Without Banners doesn't show up till Book 3 when they capture Arya, etc. after they escape Harrenhal. They're mentioned as pissing the Mountain off repeatedly in Book 2, but none of them show up till Book 3.

3) It's been tossed around, but Syrio is likely dead.

4) Yea, they don't have the $$ to do a ton with the Direwolves/ Dragons, but I agree. The connection between the wolves and the kids is being largely ignored except for Bran's visions. I suspect this will be fully fleshed out in Season 3, along with the introduction of the Reeds. Also, Reek/Ramsay Bolton hasn't been cast yet, so I doubt he shows up till Season 3.

5) See my post above. I think she was afraid of admitting who she was when Robb first meets her and has kept up the ruse. She didn't want to go to the Crag, but Robb insisted.

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NixFix said...

Bran can't be Lord of Winterfell if he is part tree/ a greenseer.

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Natron tSpartan said...

They could just bring a large pot of dirt and plant him in Winterfell's great hall.

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Misterray said...

Stannis has been portrayed far too thoroughly as inflexible, and overly hidebound to be king. Martin has made it very clear throughout this story that a true ruler needs a broad vision, an understanding of widely diverse perspectives, and flexibility.

I agree that Jon Snow ends up being Lyanna's son rather than Eddard's-- making him a Targaryen-- and he marries his cousin Dany and they rule the kingdoms together.

The two of them are being VERY well trained in flexibility, leadership, negotiation, and so forth in preparation for the role.

Also, Dany is barren until "the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," ---so all Martin has to do is have that happen --or seem to happen-- somehow and she will be able to bear children to carry on the line. I can think of a couple of ways to accomplish that one.

I think Rickon's purpose is to be the eventual Lord of Winterfell.

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Natron tSpartan said...

Great points. Your theory is pretty much widely accepted as the truth amongst book nerds. However, I'd be willing to bet Martin pulled the rug out from under a lot of people as he's put out new books so I'll be careful to make guarantees.

Also, don't forget, the series is called "A Song of Ice and Fire". Jon's name is snow, he's from the north, etc. Dany is the mother of dragons. Dragons breathe fire.

--- --- "If you want to be the Man, then you have got to BE the Man." -- CA Sparty's Dad

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Fistula said...

I went back and started reading the first book again. The little things stood out to me that I missed before. For example, Ghost is described as having only two colors: pure white with fire-red eyes. One could assume that represents Stark white and Targaryan red. It makes you wonder if George had the foresight to plant these little nuggets in the book from the beginning. The way he describes it in interviews, he wrote a few chapters of this series and put it away for a few years, then came back and wrote some more. The next thing he knew, it was his whole life.

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Misterray said...

Oh he's pulled the rug out quite a few times. As the story starts heading toward the end, though, his options start to become limited. Martin's stories never cheat the reader. The resolution always flows from the story and the elements of the endings are introduced early.

There will be some twists and you can bet that well-loved characters --as well as villains-- will be killed.

I see the Kingslayer's rehabilitation leading to some kind of sacrifice for the good of others. I'm not sure there is enough time left to rehabilitate Cersei, so her downfall should be a harsh one.

I cannot foresee Tyrion's fate. He is one of the best characters, but I can't tell whether he will find a place in the world, or find an epic ending to his life. I tend to see him as the eventual Lord of Casterly Rock, but it's hard to say.

Best guess at this point:

Jon and Dany ruling the Kingdoms

Rickon in the North (or perhaps Arya) Tyrion at Casterly Some kind of replacement at the Eyrie. Stannis destroyed or gives up his claim in favor of the Targaryens in which case he rules in Storms End Davos ruling on Dragonstone --or killed Asha Greyjoy on the Iron Islands

The resolution at the Wall involving the ending of the threat, the wall comes down, the sun rising in the west somehow as part of it and R'yllor being involved in changing the climate once and for all. I don't see the dragons being involved in resolving the North, but I could easily be wrong about that -and everything else.

One thing I guarantee based on Martin's writing in the past: The winners will be good guys who earned it, while the evil, selfish bastards will be punished.

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MSU Pureblood said...

Sansa Stark will rule the Erie with her new husband.

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SpartanRocky said...

Well, if things going according to plan (and when do they ever go to plan in this series?), she'll have Winterfell and the Eyrie. In true "FU for being a c____" fashion, I'd love for Jon Snow to be King over Sansa, because Sansa took her mom's view of him as "being a bastard" and generally looked down on him.

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Natron tSpartan said...

It is intimated that Jon was killed a the end, however, I just don't see it happening. I'm in the camp that thinks the series is greatly about Jon.

It was never said that Brienne actually died. Again, just heavily hinted at. But when the person who hangs you is also someone who has died and come back from the dead, I think it incredibly possible that she could be an un-brienne, like Cat.

She's a Zombie because the Red Priest, Thoros of Myr, can bring people back to life (see - Baric Dondarrion)

L.G.R.W.

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SpartanRocky said...
She shouts some word, and I expect that whatever she shouted saved her.

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Misterray said...

Oh he's pulled the rug out quite a few times. As the story starts heading toward the end, though, his options start to become limited. Martin's stories never cheat the reader. The resolution always flows from the story and the elements of the endings are introduced early.

There will be some twists and you can bet that well-loved characters --as well as villains-- will be killed.

I see the Kingslayer's rehabilitation leading to some kind of sacrifice for the good of others. I'm not sure there is enough time left to rehabilitate Cersei, so her downfall should be a harsh one.

I cannot foresee Tyrion's fate. He is one of the best characters, but I can't tell whether he will find a place in the world, or find an epic ending to his life. I tend to see him as the eventual Lord of Casterly Rock, but it's hard to say.

Best guess at this point:

Jon and Dany ruling the Kingdoms

Rickon in the North (or perhaps Arya) Tyrion at Casterly Some kind of replacement at the Eyrie. Stannis destroyed or gives up his claim in favor of the Targaryens in which case he rules in Storms End Davos ruling on Dragonstone --or killed Asha Greyjoy on the Iron Islands

The resolution at the Wall involving the ending of the threat, the wall comes down, the sun rising in the west somehow as part of it and R'yllor being involved in changing the climate once and for all. I don't see the dragons being involved in resolving the North, but I could easily be wrong about that -and everything else.

One thing I guarantee based on Martin's writing in the past: The winners will be good guys who earned it, while the evil, selfish bastards will be punished.