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I can totally seeing GRRM doing it though

He's over 90 at the beginning, so it wouldn't surprise me.

here is my bet...Zombie Cat uses Jamie to get revenge. Right now Jamie is being led to slaughter by Brienne of Tarth, and he looks all but certain to be about to die. Which mean he is going to escape, GRRM never goes for the obvious and as a result i think there has to be some sort of twist turn that intervenes. Plus i just can't fathom GRR spending all those chapters going into insane detail about Jamie training with payne on his left hand to not have it ever come into play and make some sort of difference to the story. So speaketh the bear.

Did Quentyn Succeed? [Spoilers]

It may seem a strange question, obviously, but consider the following.

Quentyn, accustomed to being addressed as "Prince", is an ordinary looking man.

The "Tattered Prince" is also customarily addresses as "Prince", and is also an ordinary looking man, so much so that he claims all he need do is remove his distinctive cloak, and no-one will recognize him.

Most of the Windblown come from the Seven Kingdoms, and speak the common tongue.

The second prince may ALSO have been present (anonymously) when Quentyn freed the dragons. Quentyn expected him to be present, but Merys merely claims he is "nearby". Four of the Six windblown who accompanied Quentyn and his 2 Dornish accomplices were masked and anonymous. One, a crossbowman, was killed and eaten. The Tattered Prince may have been one of the remaining three.

When Viserion roars at the Windblown, Quentyn hears Pretty Meris yelling at someone (Tatters?) to get out of the way.

Viserion, the dragon Quentyn may have been forming a connection with, seems to have left the city. Could he have taken Quentyn with him? Quentyn was burning, last time we saw him. But Dany was burning as well, when she left on Drogon, and she is quite alive.

The burnt-beyond recognition "Prince" who spent 3-days dying on Dany's bed, and occasionally speaking only a few words, may have been Tatters and not Quentyn.

No, the preview was from Theon's perspective. We won't know what happened until the next book. I think it's worth noting that GRRM said smoke, not steam was coming out of Jon's wounds.

So now that it is official and Robb marries Talisa, what do you guys think of the change? I personally think it ruins Robb's character. In the book, he was like a miniature Ned. Everything he did seemed to be based on honor and what he thought was right for his people. The thing that is even more annoying is book Robb is around 16? I think TV Robb is closer to 20 so IMO he should be much more mature and be able to keep his physical urges in check. At this point in the story, does Robb even know that Bran and Rickon are "dead". His mom even tells him he made an agreement with the Freys and he should honor it. If I recall correctly, book Robb didn't have that luxury.

Based on that episode it seems that TV Joff has more honor than TV Robb. I mean it took Cersi and basically the entire small council to convince Joff that he didn't need to marry Sansa because she was the daughter of Ned. Robb on the other hand basically says "well she is hot and i wanna keep fucking her so I am going to marry her". Since we all know Robb's ending is coming soon I don’t think it has a major effect on the entire story, but I do think it destroyed Robb's character.

You disagree??

As I watched the final scene last night, it seemed to me like the guy leading the white walkers (long, white hair) looked a lot like Benjen Stark.

SPOILER ALERT IF YOU HAVEN'T READ ALL FIVE BOOKS

For those that have read all five, we still do not know Benjen's fate. His name comes up once in awhile, but we've never found out what happened to him. After seeing the final scene and what appeared (to me at least) to be Benjen Stark leading the white walkers, I wouldn't be shocked if Benjen does turn out to be their leader. I was always under the impression that he likely became one. Although no one that has read the books would know what happened to him, I imagine Martin has discussed future plots with HBO and maybe HBO is purposely making that guy look like Benjen.

Or...maybe you guys don't think he looks like Benjen at all...

Ok - I'm on book 3 and don't want to many spoilers so I'm just posting this and will check back later. I wanted to post in the other thread, but thought I might be giving some spoilers. So the show has a different path for the storylines, but ends up having the same destination. I know in the books, Dany's handmaids don't die and her dragons aren't captured. So what's the deal with sealing her into the vault? Did this actually happen in the books and I'm forgetting it? I have to say, the house of the undying was the most boring part of the books, I thought. Is there something I'm forgetting with all that? Could someone refresh my memory and just explain why she went there and the purpose for it?

Much appreciated!

I don't think you can be resurrected as an Other, just as a wight. Others are a race similar to the children of the forest.

Correctamundo.

So what does everyone think will happen to Arya? Is her becoming a faceless man and hunting down her kill list too obvious? I hope at some point she is reunited with Jon Snow or Sansa.

Also, what becomes of Bran? Does he live permanently North of the Wall now as a greenseer, stuck in those deep caves?

I'll be interested to see where her story goes. It seems to me that part of becoming one of the faceless men is letting go of your identity (aka her kill list).

Yeah, I think it was also part of the plan to get the Tyrells to side with Joffrey after Renly was killed. I can't remember if that was Tyrion's doing or his dad's.