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Satchel said...
Heh.
MacBook Pro - 13.3" display, 4GB RAM, 500 GB hard drive, 2.4Ghz Intel i5 processor, 384Mb shared video memory. $1199.
Gateway - 15.6" display, 4GB RAM, 500 GB hard drive, 2.4Ghz Intel i5 processor, 128Mb dedicated video memory. $449.
Yes, prices on Macs are really THAT inflated.
Agreed. I bought my HP laptop about 2 years ago for $600 before taxes during the Christmas sale season. I checked and a MacBook with similar specs would've been over $2000.
2 years later, and it's still running great. I can see the appeal of MacBooks, and I'm sure I would enjoy having one just as much in the end as I do my current laptop... But for 3x the price? Even if I knew nothing about computers and was unable to maintain the HP to keep it fast, I could upgrade every 2 years and have a newer, faster computer instead of keeping the $2k MacBook for 6 years (and it'd still be cheaper).
Then again, I might be an outlier here because I kept my previous HP Desktop running great for 8 years before buying this laptop.
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Satchel said...
Heh.
MacBook Pro - 13.3" display, 4GB RAM, 500 GB hard drive, 2.4Ghz Intel i5 processor, 384Mb shared video memory. $1199.
Gateway - 15.6" display, 4GB RAM, 500 GB hard drive, 2.4Ghz Intel i5 processor, 128Mb dedicated video memory. $449.
Yes, prices on Macs are really THAT inflated.
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Satchel said...
Heh.
MacBook Pro - 13.3" display, 4GB RAM, 500 GB hard drive, 2.4Ghz Intel i5 processor, 384Mb shared video memory. $1199.
Gateway - 15.6" display, 4GB RAM, 500 GB hard drive, 2.4Ghz Intel i5 processor, 128Mb dedicated video memory. $449.
Yes, prices on Macs are really THAT inflated.
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MSchott said...
This has been covered about 100X here but compare the quality over time of the Macbook Pro to the Gateway as well as the quality of the components used by Apple before making these sort of comparisons. Yes, the Apple products are considerably more expensive but IMO they are better made and run better.
Anecdotally, I have a year old Macbook Pro for work that runs way better than my brand new HP desktop with dual core processor. IMO Apple OS>MS Windows 7.
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That doesn't mean that it isn't a valid point though. It's your own personal choice - are you willing to pay 2-3x the cost for a Macbook that you believe "runs better"? There's no right or wrong answer to that. However, there's no way that it runs 2-3x faster than a Windows product with the same specs, so you are paying a premium.
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Of course, because you paid 1/3 the price for the computer, in 2-3 years, you've already bought another computer that is five times faster (or lower power, or both) than either of those systems...and you're still $400 ahead. And in 5-6 years, when you finally spend as much on the Windows computers as you did on that MacBook half a decade ago, your computer is probably 10-15 times faster than the MacBook.
This is of course, assuming you need to replace the Windows computer in the first place, which is also a load of crap. I have five computers that have been running Windows 7 for about two years, and they're all running just fine. No antivirus, no antispyware, and all being using for various functions.
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It's actually pretty easy if you don't want viruses...
1) Install a free firewall
2) Run a free anti-malware scanner periodically (once a month?)
3) Don't click on the ads on porn sitesIf you can't do these things, yeah you should probably just pay 3x the price for a Mac.
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It's actually pretty easy if you don't want viruses...
1) Install a free firewall
2) Run a free anti-malware scanner periodically (once a month?)
3) Don't click on the ads on porn sitesIf you can't do these things, yeah you should probably just pay 3x the price for a Mac.
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The thing that scares me the most about the newest generation of kids entering the workforce is that they are going to have no idea how to use computers. People that only work on Macs are not computer savvy so when they get to a corporation that uses actual computers, it's a support nightmare. I think that's how you get all the "well it just works on my Mac" and "PCs are sooooo difficult". They are used to booting up, syncing their iTunes, launching Safari and browsing the web, maybe using Office to write a paper, and that's about it. Wintel based computers are simple, but they aren't Fisher-Price "My First Mac" easy. You can actually break things and they do because they think they know what they are doing.
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The thing that scares me the most about the newest generation of kids entering the workforce is that they are going to have no idea how to use computers. People that only work on Macs are not computer savvy so when they get to a corporation that uses actual computers, it's a support nightmare. I think that's how you get all the "well it just works on my Mac" and "PCs are sooooo difficult". They are used to booting up, syncing their iTunes, launching Safari and browsing the web, maybe using Office to write a paper, and that's about it. Wintel based computers are simple, but they aren't Fisher-Price "My First Mac" easy. You can actually break things and they do because they think they know what they are doing.
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The thing that scares me the most about the newest generation of kids entering the workforce is that they are going to have no idea how to use computers. People that only work on Macs are not computer savvy so when they get to a corporation that uses actual computers, it's a support nightmare. I think that's how you get all the "well it just works on my Mac" and "PCs are sooooo difficult". They are used to booting up, syncing their iTunes, launching Safari and browsing the web, maybe using Office to write a paper, and that's about it. Wintel based computers are simple, but they aren't Fisher-Price "My First Mac" easy. You can actually break things and they do because they think they know what they are doing.
This post was edited by MSU Mathguy on 12/16/2011 at 2:21 PM
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PortlandSpartan said...
Ok, got the passive aggressive "I'm smart and know how to use computers" one out of the way. Hexy showed up so I'm sure that knocked out a few clichés. I'm sure he nailed the "I have 5 of both and..." talk track.
Price? Check. Viruses? Check. Design? Check. OS? Check.
Anything else we are missing? Tanner calling PC users poor?
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So your assumptions are: 1. Mac is not a real computer 2. People who use Macs are not computer savvy 3. People who use a Mac will to survive in the workforce that uses Windows Thank you for educating the masses based on no data but your opinion. I have yet to see a reason for owning a windows based machine. And when I am forced to used windows software, I run VM Fusion and Windows 7 on my Mac. You are correct about one thing, "it just WORKS on my Mac", as if that is a problem. Flame away.
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Dr Leo Spaceman said...
It would be a different story if every computer I have owned met its demise by just being outdated but they always break. Always. If you drove a brand of car that always broke, would you switch? And let's say it's a Chevy, you had 5 Chevys in 10 years... Would you go buy a gmc? Using the same engine, designed by the same engineers, and assembled by the same workers? Or would you say... Hmm, that ford is an entirely different company, maybe it's time I give them a look?
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SeeRockCity said...
Defensive much?
There was absolutely nothing aggressive or confrontational about the post in question. You could have easily stated these opinions in a non-confrontational way and still gotten the point across. This is one of the main reasons why there is so much derision between the two camps.
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The thing that scares me the most about the newest generation of kids entering the workforce is that they are going to have no idea how to use computers. People that only work on Macs are not computer savvy so when they get to a corporation that uses actual computers, it's a support nightmare. I think that's how you get all the "well it just works on my Mac" and "PCs are sooooo difficult". They are used to booting up, syncing their iTunes, launching Safari and browsing the web, maybe using Office to write a paper, and that's about it. Wintel based computers are simple, but they aren't Fisher-Price "My First Mac" easy. You can actually break things and they do because they think they know what they are doing.
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Batesianmimicry said...
the current generation of kids entering the labor force right now learned typing before cursive (if they learned cursive at all). Those same kids started playing Counterstrike when they were 8. Have those same kids had smartphones in college. Those kids don't put mastery MS Word, Powerpoint, and Excel in their resumes, because their college degree already implies that they figured that out before the end of their freshman year if they didn't already know it when they were 12.
Also, it's rare to see a 20-something that has grown up in a completely Window-less world. Windows 98, XP, 7, if you know how to use one, you know to use them all. Most of the software is similar too. A lot of business schools still prefer that their students have PCs as opposed to MACs just in case. If it's anything very software specific, you have to be trained anyways somewhere. If it's a real tech problem, then tech support is going to be involved anyways. Companies don't want you trying to fix their computer, or changing out the RAM, because that's not what they pay you for, that's what they pay the IT guys for.
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Batesianmimicry said...
the current generation of kids entering the labor force right now learned typing before cursive (if they learned cursive at all). Those same kids started playing Counterstrike when they were 8. Have those same kids had smartphones in college. Those kids don't put mastery MS Word, Powerpoint, and Excel in their resumes, because their college degree already implies that they figured that out before the end of their freshman year if they didn't already know it when they were 12.
Also, it's rare to see a 20-something that has grown up in a completely Window-less world. Windows 98, XP, 7, if you know how to use one, you know to use them all. Most of the software is similar too. A lot of business schools still prefer that their students have PCs as opposed to MACs just in case. If it's anything very software specific, you have to be trained anyways somewhere. If it's a real tech problem, then tech support is going to be involved anyways. Companies don't want you trying to fix their computer, or changing out the RAM, because that's not what they pay you for, that's what they pay the IT guys for.
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