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Addition by subtraction going forward next year

  • Everybody pretty much agreed that by Lucas and Summers graduating, the team this year might have a chance to be much improved because of better chemistry and team play.
    That has pretty much proven to be the truth.
    I have a feeling that next year will be the same way. Green has no doubt been the leader on this team, and they have thus far had a very good season. Personally, i think Green has been somewhat of a prima donna, has made mistakes at crucial junctures of games, and has tried to take way more of the spotlight moments on himself than his talent dictates. Loping back on defense, whining about calls, standing at the 3 point line, etc, etc. I think Izzo has kinda had to hide some frustration and had to show the outward love he has because of circumstances to some unknown extent. Dont get me wrong, i think Draymond is a great kid, but he has taken what is needed from him far beyond where it should be.

    Kinda an immature attitude Green has shown at times as well, considering the car keys he has been given. See the outburst at Illinois, and again yesterday, and the extremely poor decision he made with 25 seconds left. Good player put in a great position, not a great player put in a good position. Senior leaders dont make super boneheaded childish mental mistakes like that time and again. Cool it and play within the framework of the team.
    He has shot 45% this year, and has nearly as many turnovers as assists, if you compare this season to his sophmore year, IMO, he was more effective, shot better, assisted almost as much per game, and turned the ball over almost half as much. Just trying to do way more than he should, and more than his talent actually dictates he should.

    Great Spartan and all, but i think him not being around to try and do everything next year might make the incoming players and holdovers have a higher ceiling than the current team does.He will no doubt be missed, but i dont think as much as most people probably would suspect.
    I am quite confident this wont be a popular opinion, but its MY opinion.

    Mudjin harbor

  • Shut up.

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    Dr Leo Spaceman

  • Fuck you

    "It's not a lie, if you believe it." - George Costanza

    Haslett Spartan ●

  • I agree with a lot of what you say but prepare to be neg bombed to death.

    ByTor20084

  • This won't end well for you.

    Johnny Alpamayo

  • Johnny Alpamayo said...

    This won't end well for you.

    that's 4 star rating is going to drop after that piece of crap post.

    "If you have the right to be offended I have the right to offend you." - Ricky Gervais

    Enrico Palazzo

  • Green is a first team AA and B1G POY. Fuck off.

    Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.

    rookmsu ●

  • And yet look at the offense with him on the floor versus off the floor.

    MSULordyoda

  • Wow. You suck.

    Slippery People

  • Mudjin harbor said...

    . I am quite confident this wont be a popular opinion, but its MY opinion.

    You know what they say - opinions are like assholes. And you are one.

    Nommad

  • rookmsu said...

    Green is a first team AA and B1G POY. Fuck off.

    The OP is right. Green is trying to do too much, and his absence will allow others to become leaders and have bigger roles. I think Nix could lose more weight and be an AA starting four.

    Applingbyrd

  • Applingbyrd said...

    The OP is right. Green is trying to do too much, and his absence will allow others to become leaders and have bigger roles. I think Nix could lose more weight and be an AA starting four.

    Wow. Just wow.

    Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.

    rookmsu ●

  • Dr Draymond ●

  • fucking shit thread.........cuntish thoughts on a black day:

    spartyon1

  • please don't reproduce. we don't need more retards in the world.

    "Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson

    tig ol bitties19581 ●

  • Applingbyrd said...

    The OP is right. Green is trying to do too much, and his absence will allow others to become leaders and have bigger roles. I think Nix could lose more weight and be an AA starting four.

    Exactly

    I look at a recent NBA draft analysis that showed him as the 98th pick in the draft.

    Look, i am not saying he isnt a good player, he is, and i stated that in my OP
    But he tries to do way to much more often that not.
    Other than the Gonzaga game, where he played great, he hasnt done a whole lot in really big games against the best teams on the schedule.
    Lets look at the 6 biggest games on the schedule this season

    UNC 6-19 with 5 turnovers
    Duke 4-15 with 5 turnovers
    @OSU 5-16 with 3 turnovers
    OSU 6-18 with 4 Turnovers
    @UM 3-8 with 5 turnovers
    UM 7-11 with 6 turnovers
    So in 6 big games 31 for 87 from the field with 4.6 turnovers per game. That is the definition of trying to do too much, and it becoming glaringly obvious against good teams

    Mudjin harbor

  • Mudjin harbor said...

    Exactly

    I look at a recent NBA draft analysis that showed him as the 98th pick in the draft.

    Look, i am not saying he isnt a good player, he is, and i stated that in my OP
    But he tries to do way to much more often that not.
    Other than the Gonzaga game, where he played great, he hasnt done a whole lot in really big games against the best teams on the schedule.
    Lets look at the 6 biggest games on the schedule this season

    UNC 6-19 with 5 turnovers
    Duke 4-15 with 5 turnovers
    @OSU 5-16 with 3 turnovers
    OSU 6-18 with 4 Turnovers
    @UM 3-8 with 5 turnovers
    UM 7-11 with 6 turnovers
    So in 6 big games 31 for 87 from the field with 4.6 turnovers per game. That is the definition of trying to do too much, and it becoming glaringly obvious against good teams

    I've read several that have him early second round, too.

    Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.

    rookmsu ●

  • Applingbyrd said...

    The OP is right. Green is trying to do too much, and his absence will allow others to become leaders and have bigger roles. I think Nix could lose more weight and be an AA starting four.

    Another walverine piece of shit chimes in.

    "Losing Benenoch is a mortal blow from which this program can't recover"-T-Pain

    Rogue Leader

  • Yep, the best thing for a team is to lose a 1st team AA and conference player of the year. Hell, many teams are grateful they don't have someone like that on their team because it allows for the development of their other players.

    Spartan2k

  • Mudjin harbor said...

    Everybody pretty much agreed that by Lucas and Summers graduating, the team this year might have a chance to be much improved because of better chemistry and team play.
    That has pretty much proven to be the truth.
    I have a feeling that next year will be the same way. Green has no doubt been the leader on this team, and they have thus far had a very good season. Personally, i think Green has been somewhat of a prima donna, has made mistakes at crucial junctures of games, and has tried to take way more of the spotlight moments on himself than his talent dictates. Loping back on defense, whining about calls, standing at the 3 point line, etc, etc. I think Izzo has kinda had to hide some frustration and had to show the outward love he has because of circumstances to some unknown extent. Dont get me wrong, i think Draymond is a great kid, but he has taken what is needed from him far beyond where it should be.

    Kinda an immature attitude Green has shown at times as well, considering the car keys he has been given. See the outburst at Illinois, and again yesterday, and the extremely poor decision he made with 25 seconds left. Good player put in a great position, not a great player put in a good position. Senior leaders dont make super boneheaded childish mental mistakes like that time and again. Cool it and play within the framework of the team.
    He has shot 45% this year, and has nearly as many turnovers as assists, if you compare this season to his sophmore year, IMO, he was more effective, shot better, assisted almost as much per game, and turned the ball over almost half as much. Just trying to do way more than he should, and more than his talent actually dictates he should.

    Great Spartan and all, but i think him not being around to try and do everything next year might make the incoming players and holdovers have a higher ceiling than the current team does.He will no doubt be missed, but i dont think as much as most people probably would suspect.
    I am quite confident this wont be a popular opinion, but its MY opinion.

    Both T's were BS.

    Posting member of tRCMB since 1997. It is ALWAYS a great day to be a Spartan!!!!

    Raytooth Morgan ●

  • Fletch said...

    I can't wait until our lock Big 10 Player of the Year and National Player of the Year candidate is gone!

    Yeah, time remove the cancer.

    duffy munn ●

  • Mudjin harbor said...

    Exactly

    I look at a recent NBA draft analysis that showed him as the 98th pick in the draft.

    Look, i am not saying he isnt a good player, he is, and i stated that in my OP But he tries to do way to much more often that not. Other than the Gonzaga game, where he played great, he hasnt done a whole lot in really big games against the best teams on the schedule. Lets look at the 6 biggest games on the schedule this season

    UNC 6-19 with 5 turnovers Duke 4-15 with 5 turnovers @OSU 5-16 with 3 turnovers OSU 6-18 with 4 Turnovers @UM 3-8 with 5 turnovers UM 7-11 with 6 turnovers So in 6 big games 31 for 87 from the field with 4.6 turnovers per game. That is the definition of trying to do too much, and it becoming glaringly obvious against good teams

    I like how you leave out rebounds while trying to make your stupid point. Clever.

    duffy munn ●

  • duffy munn said...

    I like how you leave out rebounds while trying to make your stupid point. Clever.

    So shooting terrible and giving the ball away a TON is fine with you.
    Thankfully Appling bailed him out by making a great catch yesterday on a ball that was headed into the backcourt, or we could have added another turnover.
    Careless with the ball consistantly, and not coming up big in big games is worth calling out to me.
    If it isnt to you, i could care less.

    Mudjin harbor

  • Mudjin harbor said...

    Exactly

    I look at a recent NBA draft analysis that showed him as the 98th pick in the draft.

    http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft

    http://www.mynbadraft.com/2012-NBA-Mock-Draft-Round-2

    facepalm_msu

    This post was edited by Holdensheroes on 3/5/2012 at 11:13 AM

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    Holdensheroes ●

  • Why wait until after this season? Let's get the pitchforks and run tB10 POY out of town today! 3 titles in 4 years just doesn't cut it for tRCMB.

    2chins 1hoke

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