MSU Red Cedar Message Board

This place is a cesspool sometimes.

You are a retard.

There is no 98th pick in the NBA draft.

The thing you looked at was ranking every draft prospect (freshman, sophomores, juniors, seniors, and international players). It is not a mock draft.

So much hate for the OP.

Green is a very good player WHEN he plays within himself and within the game. He isn't the hot handed game winner that everyone thinks. Unfortunately!

I love what he's given MSU but he makes enough mistakes per game to drive you crazy sometimes.

Congrats on a B1G Championship and stay within your game for the next nine games (see what I did there ).

Although I disagree with the OP, in fairness, isn't your quote pretty much the prevailing attitude this board has had towards Kalin Lucas?
The kid was Big Ten POY, part of 2 Big Ten championships, a Final Four playing and one that he unfortunately missed, had multiple clutch (clutch!) moments in his career, worked his way back from a devastating injury, and because of a rough senior season was basically hung with a reputation that he was part of (or a good chunk of) the problem.
Draymond was on that team, too, by the way. People blame Lucas/Summers because they were seniors, but Draymond was part of a mix that somehow came to less than the sum of its parts. When folks say he is as good a leader as Cleaves, I try to imagine Mateen allowing things to fall apart like that, and I don't see it happening...but maybe the personalities were just too strong. Hard to say. I don't fault Draymond for it any more than I fault Lucas for it, but they were both on that team.
Each team and season is a new mix. To me, it's not a "positive" when you lose a guy, but things shift and other guys step up and the mix changes. If the pieces come together, you get what we had this year. If they don't, you get what we had last year. It's part of what makes it fun to follow these teams. But it's just extraordinarily dismissive of the effort that a guy has given in his career to frame that adjustment as the team being "better off without them". I just wish that attitude applied to Kalin Lucas around here, too.

I agree, WHEN he does.
But as the stats clearly show, when playing the best teams on the schedule, he shoots poorly and turns the ball over a lot. This is an all year thing. Did it the first game, did it the last game, and at most of the important moments in between, with a temper tantrum occasionally thrown in for good measure.
I wish i had a buck for every time he argued with a ref instead of running back to play defense. More than any kid in the nation i have watched play this year.
Hey, he has had his moments, but he has gotten the velvet touch by the media and everybody else, and when you look at what he has done in big monents, he flat hasnt shown up by and large.

I am not attempting anything. I pointed out facts, backed them up with verifiable statistics, and drew the obvious conclusion that information suggests.
I even forgot in my Op the two blown free throws against Wisky@ Wisky right near the end that should have salted that game away. Just another point to add to the many i have correctly made, popular or not.
Now you liking it and dealing with it is up to you. I stopped trying to win popularity contests back in 5th grade.
Maybe next year when you get there you will also

Wow, you'd better get on ESPN quickly so you can tell everyone that Draymond's just not a good player before they vote him 1st team AA!

Apparently you have a watching-basketball disorder. GOOD players aren't first team all-American.

Even I think that the OP is a douchenozzle.

Yes, the one criticism everyone has of Green is his whining, and it more than likely cost MSU a one seed and outright title by getting those techs in the two games.

Green also never developed into the late game closer Kalin was which is mildy disappointing too. At UM and home against OSU come to mind.

With that said, we are nitpicking one of the all time grats to wear a Spartan uni. Green afterall is the B10 POTY.

Oy. Troll fully exposed

He's a troll. Mods wont throw him out. Ignore him.

Betting on upside with most above, Draymond has played 4 years of college ball and still isnt considered a first rounder right at this minute by hardly anybody. Kantner is much younger, frankly the other guys i would have to research.

Long story short, nobody in the NBA currently considers Green a first round impact player , but plenty of guys that arent first team all America are. Politics, being in the right place at the right time and other factors play into who gets style points and honors.I am not argueing if he is going to be first tream this, or first team that, so what.

But this is getting off track, i stated he has bad stats against good teams, and will be more replacable going forward than most think he will. I stand by that. Obviously people going forward who are going to be check writers agree with me, and have looked at what he has actually done against good teams.