Online Now 2953

MSU Red Cedar Message Board

The largest and most active MSU Spartans board on the web

On this Board 1927
Record: 12118 (3/18/2012)

Online now 2673
Record: 10351 (3/11/2012)

Boards ▾

MSU Red Cedar Message Board

The largest and most active MSU Spartans board on the web

The Press Box

The place to ask questions to SpartanTailgate's recruiting experts

Duffy Daugherty Forum

"The Duff" is dedicated to Michigan State football recruiting discussion

Jack Breslin Forum

"The Bres" is dedicated to Michigan State basketball recruiting discussion

Wells Hall Off Topic Board

This is your pulpit to preach to the masses about everything from politics to religion

Marketplace & Ticket Exchange

The place to buy, trade or sell Michigan State tickets

Fantasy Sports Forum

For fantasy football and other fantasy sports discussion

Test/Feedback Forum

Reply

Apple iAnti-Trust

  • Turf said...

    ohh. i guess that makes it OK....

    what's funny is that music and movies can be price-fixed, there are laws they paid for to protect them from racketeering charges. publishing biz will have to get to work on getting the same exemption. lol

    And another reason I have no problem with file-sharing. They continually try to screw me with illegal practices, I absolutely screw them every chance I get.

    Guinness makes you drop mud.

    Heat Miser

  • Heat Miser said...

    And another reason I have no problem with file-sharing. They continually try to screw me with illegal practices, I absolutely screw them every chance I get.

    Define "they," and explain how they have screwed you.

    http://www.silentlapse.com

    Thrillho

  • Thrillho said...

    Define "they," and explain how they have screwed you.

    "They" is corporate America, and if you believe you are paying a fair price for everything you buy then enjoy your ignorant bliss.

    Guinness makes you drop mud.

    Heat Miser

  • Heat Miser said...

    "They" is corporate America, and if you believe you are paying a fair price for everything you buy then enjoy your ignorant bliss.

    I pay for products that are worth that much to me, and live without those that are not. Seems fair to me.

    http://www.silentlapse.com

    Thrillho

  • Thrillho said...

    I pay for products that are worth that much to me, and live without those that are not. Seems fair to me.

    Congrats. I'm glad you're able to see it that way.

    Guinness makes you drop mud.

    Heat Miser

  • LoneWolfSparty said...

    As Microsoft found out in the 90s, it is lonely at top. First Macs got hit with a trojan last week, this week an anti-trust. Apple has turned into what it used to rail at Microsoft about!

    Apple is a marketing company. They sell a lifestye at a premium. And they apparently do so while breaking various laws in order to squeeze more money out of the loyal Sheeple.

    Rodeo Burger

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    Essentially all this is going to do is shift pricing to retailers instead of the publishers themselves. This will eventually mean that Amazon will make $50 billion next year instead of $49 billion, and Apple will get a slap on the wrist.

    coffee

    "Under the wholesale model, Amazon priced e-books at or even below cost in many cases in order to draw in customers who would then purchase other items from its online store. But the practice generated concern among publishers that their works were being devalued, and many were happy to sign on with Apple's agency model in order to create more price stability.

    Analysts estimate that a return to the wholesale model could add $1 billion to Amazon's revenues this year given its commanding 65% share of the e-book market and the impact of discounted pricing on sales of other items in its store. "

    eh, fine by me. I don't care who is making the money (apple, amazon, microsoft, china) or who is getting sued if it means that ebook prices are going to come down.

    I think the "concern among publishers that their works are being devalued" sounds a lot like the record companies. Find a better business model.

    "Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson

    tig ol bitties19581

  • Heat Miser said...

    Congrats. I'm glad you're able to see it that way.

    It's pretty easy when you are a content creator (the people who actually DO get screwed by studios, labels, and publishers). My content creator hat will never ever shed a tear for my consumer hat.

    http://www.silentlapse.com

    Thrillho

  • tig ol' bitties said...

    eh, fine by me. I don't care who is making the money (apple, amazon, microsoft, china) or who is getting sued if it means that ebook prices are going to come down.

    I think the "concern among publishers that their works are being devalued" sounds a lot like the record companies. Find a better business model.

    but why should they when they can throw money at congress and get their "business model" codified by law? they have no incentive to innovate, just lobby for stricter and more intrusive laws to prop up their current model. after all, it's a gravy train for the big labels...

    Turf

  • Thrillho said...

    It's pretty easy when you are a content creator (the people who actually DO get screwed by studios, labels, and publishers). My content creator hat will never ever shed a tear for my consumer hat.

    I am absolutely sympathetic to the content creators, but you do "choose" to do business with them. shrug

    Guinness makes you drop mud.

    Heat Miser

  • Heat Miser said...

    I am absolutely sympathetic to the content creators, but you do "choose" to do business with them. shrug

    Yeah, but if you sign up to be paid from a movie's profits, you don't expect them to use deceitful accounting to let the books show that there is no profit . Sure there might be poor value for consumers in terms of profit margins, but is nothing like actually being ripped off, or "screwed" if you will.

    This post was edited by Thrillho on 4/11/2012 at 12:48 PM

    http://www.silentlapse.com

    Thrillho

  • Thrillho said...

    Yeah, but if you sign up to be paid from a movie's profits, you don't expect them to use deceitful accounting to let the books show that there is no profit . Sure there might be poor value for consumers in terms of profit margins, but is nothing like actually being ripped off, or "screwed" if you will.

    A gaping axe wound vs. a thousand little cuts. You're still dead. And that's precisely how big corporations like to do it.

    "Millions of people won't mind if we screw them once a month with just the tip. We'll laugh all the way to the bank & I'll get a multi-million dollar bonus. And if we break a law or two along the way, so what. We've got an army of lawyers."

    Guinness makes you drop mud.

    Heat Miser

  • Heat Miser said...

    A gaping axe wound vs. a thousand little cuts. You're still dead. And that's precisely how big corporations like to do it.

    "Millions of people won't mind if we screw them once a month with just the tip. We'll laugh all the way to the bank & I'll get a multi-million dollar bonus. And if we break a law or two along the way, so what. We've got an army of lawyers."

    That's not screwing them with just the tip though. It's giving them the option to pay an asking price, which is how every business big or small operates.

    http://www.silentlapse.com

    Thrillho

  • Thrillho said...

    That's not screwing them with just the tip though. It's giving them the option to pay an asking price, which is how every business big or small operates.

    I have addressed this classic monopolist argument in the other thread.

    "If you don't like our price, go somewhere else. What's that? Everybody else has the same price? There is no one else? Guess you'll have to pay our price or do without. That's capitalism. Bend over and take it little guy."

    Guinness makes you drop mud.

    Heat Miser

  • LoneWolfSparty said...

    That new panic smilie is ridiculous.

    Thankfully the old one lives on in my iPhones cache.

    Trevor is working on bringing all the old ones back thank god.

    This post was edited by Gomer on 4/11/2012 at 1:22 PM

    Gomer

  • Thrillho said...

    That's not screwing them with just the tip though. It's giving them the option to pay an asking price, which is how every business big or small operates.

    Unfortunately, the content industry decided many decades ago that they could use the money they accumulated to change the laws of our country. As soon as an entity decides to use their resources in a manner that manipulates law to their gain, they no longer have an ability to credibly make a moral claim as to what is right and wrong.

    The entertainment industry used their position to manipulate our laws, and piracy is going to fix that problem.

    hexydes

  • Motown Spartan said...

    Fixed.

    lol

    Loose Stools

  • Trevor Barnes said...

    Essentially all this is going to do is shift pricing to retailers instead of the publishers themselves. This will eventually mean that Amazon will make $50 billion next year instead of $49 billion, and Apple will get a slap on the wrist.

    coffee

    "Under the wholesale model, Amazon priced e-books at or even below cost in many cases in order to draw in customers who would then purchase other items from its online store. But the practice generated concern among publishers that their works were being devalued, and many were happy to sign on with Apple's agency model in order to create more price stability.

    Analysts estimate that a return to the wholesale model could add $1 billion to Amazon's revenues this year given its commanding 65% share of the e-book market and the impact of discounted pricing on sales of other items in its store. "

    That is so much horse sh*t. What is the "cost" of an e-book? Obviously, there still are royalties to pay and distribution costs, but those aren't squat compared to what Apple and the publishers want to charge. E-books are becoming HUGE, and they all want to fatten up--at least Amazon tries to hold tough. F**k the rest of them.

    Loose Stools