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Hoke rated higher than Dantonio is a joke. Hoke has had 1 season in the BT, still has the Michigan name to recruit and had decent players from Richrod. He got the team into a BCS Bowl because the system is completely f'd up AND lost to Dantonio decisively. Other than the AD from um I would bet the 80% of the ADs would take MD if given a choice between MD and Hoke.

Top recruiting classes, bcs bowl game resurgence of scum in the very near future.

Oh please. Michigan was not in the basement. They had 2 bad years, and were a defense away from having a solid year in Rod's last year.

I'm tired of people thinking Hoke pulled off this miracle turn around. A monkey could sell the Michigan name to an 18 year old kid and turn the program around.

Dantonio had to clean up not only wins and losses, but he had to reverse a losing mentality that had been around this program for years. Our program no longer folds in close games and has a swagger, especially on defense. And recruiting? Sorry if I feel that it's more impressive evaluating 3-star prospects like Cousins, Worthy, Bell, Martin, and Cunningham than selling snake oil to 5-star 18 year olds who are quick to pull the trigger.

I agree that Hoke is up there, I didn't expect them to be 11-2.

But Hoke didn't change shit. He tweaked the offense, and hired a guy that wasn't a moran when it came to defense. He didn't have to reverse any long term effects. Rich Rod ran a circus, but there wasn't exactly a losing mentality when he left, and the top 10-15 recruiting classes were a nice inheritance.

There's a disconnect here that's subtle, but important to point out.

It's true that 50% of a coach's success is recruiting, but you're incorrectly assuming that the recruiting services are the ultimate indication of successful recruiting. That isn't the case.

It's the # of kids in a class that become starters and impact players that matters the most. It doesn't matter if a kid is rated a 5-star or a 3-star: a yard gained is a yard gained, or a 3 yard TFL is a 3 yard TFL, no matter who makes it.

The "general" rule is that 1/3 of a class becomes starters/impact guys, 1/3 depth players and 1/3 transfer/never contribute. Any better than that, and you're doing well. Much worse than that, and you're in a bind.

Also, Ferentz won the Orange Bowl.

The thing with Brady Hoke is, there needs to be a distinction between what people think he's capable of, and what he's actually done. Based on what he's actually done, it's ridiculous to rank him ahead of someone like Les Miles. People can say what they want about Miles being a goofball (which is all true) but he's a hell of a coach with a great track record.

I think Hoke is a good coach, he might even become a great coach, but who knows yet? One season at a BCS school is not enough to judge. Sure, he was successful at smaller schools, but most every head coach at a major program was too -- which is precisely how the climbed the ladder and became a head coach at a BCS school. So Hoke does not get bonus points for that.

And the whole BCS game in his first season thing is so overblown. Michigan got that game because of money and politics, and everybody knows it. They essentially got that game because they weren't good enough to win their own division. Just think about how messed up that is. You can't knock Michigan for that, they were benefactors of a ridiculous and corrupt system, but it should also not be used to put Hoke on a pedestal.

He also doesn't get bonus points for bringing talent to Michigan. That should be status quo. What he does with said talent, and how he develops his lesser talented players will be more telling of his abilities.

Also, I wasn't at all impressed with how Hoke handled Devon Gardner last season. Here's a 5-star QB sitting on your bench, and you do next to nothing with him. Oh, I forgot, Hoke doesn't touch the offense...and that is somehow a credit to him? I'm not saying you start him at QB, but how you haven't been able to turn that guy into anything beyond a sideshow act is beyond me.

Look at Keith Nichol, on the other hand, who got beat out at the QB spot, yet the coaches recognized he was one of the best athletes on the team and found a way to put him on the field and he made an impact.

Eh, I'm more incensed by BK's rating than Hoke's.

Where's he ranked? I'm on mobile and the link sends me to some NCAA tournament preview

This is all it is.

Recruiting classes sure. BCS consistency based on one lucky year with Rich Rod players? Now you're making assumptions. You shouldn't rate a coach higher then coaches who have actually proved themselves consistently. Dantonio has taken a bottom barrel program (sorry true) to a big ten regular contender. Hoke took a historical Michigan team with tons of talent that was mismanaged and finished third in the Big Ten. End of story, that ranking is comical

I think you just meant to post this.

Brandon strongarmed their way into the bowl game. Claimed they would travel well and they didnt. They are michigan, he was quoted as saying. Who cares. Just keep winning.