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Axl Rose is Still a Jackass

  • Wav is a big Korn fan. So if it's not Nu Metal, he wants nothing to do with it.

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    Plate of Shrimp ●

  • WavSpartan said...

    Sheryl Crow isn't pop BTW

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4lSms1pokA

    You can circle jerk all you want but you are still wrong.

    DeputyMSU

  • Omar Comin' said...

    It's a music thread. I think it's implied that everything's subjective. I never said that Guns N Roses wasn't a big dumb rock band that fizzled out after two (err...three?) albums. If there are guitar albums you prefer over Appetite for Destruction, who could always name them and discuss them, rather than equating liking AFD to being a Nickelback fan.

    Well, this is a GNR thread. And I'm not trying to insult you by saying that you probably like Nickelback cause you like AFD. What I'm saying is that they get played on the same stations. Pop rock/modern rock/WRIF/Q106 style stations. The separation isn't that far off. It's pop rock. That's not a bad thing. Pop isn't a bad word.

    WavSpartan

  • DeputyMSU said...

    As you can see there is a difference between pop and popular music. Although I would pick a knit with the way they defined pop music. Pop music was around before rock and roll....Sinatra, Pat Boone, Nat King Cole, etc. were considered pop singers. Pop music today has evolved to include many elements of other genres of music such as rock, country, etc.

    Wait... so if you dispute the thing you used earlier to support your argument (wikipedia) does your internet collapse in on itself?

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  • DeputyMSU said...

    You can circle jerk all you want but you are still wrong.

    So by your criteria, Crue and Poison are flirting with pop because of covers that they did, but GNR covers a Paul McCartney song which was the theme for a huge blockbuster movie, and has Sheryl Crow cover their songs, but they aren't even in the conversation for pop?

    Whatever.... You're entitled to your opinion, but it's ridiculous. And you should quit acting like people with other opinions are somehow wrong for having one which is more easily backed up than your own.

    WavSpartan

  • WavSpartan said...

    Oh....So covers count. Live and Let Die?

    Don't be stupid. If someone covered "Run to the Hils" in the same style that Maiden played it, that still wouldn't be a pop song. Did GNR cover "Live and Let Die" exactly how wings played the song. No....they played it in more of a rock style.

    Sheryl Crow is definitely pop rock....when she covered "Sweet Child O' Mine" she lightened it up....I don't believe her version included any of the heavy breakdown at the end of the song as was heard on the original GNR version.

    It is not the song...it is how it is played and sang.

    DeputyMSU

  • WavSpartan said...

    Oh....So covers count. Live and Let Die?

    So, how about Talk Dirty To Me or Every Rose (Has It's Thorns)? Poison was most definitely a pop band.

    Klevin Torborg

  • Again... this is a pop song. Let's leave the wikipedia links and all the musicologist bullshit out of this... and listen to the music. If you can't admit that this is a pop song then, well, let's just agree to disagree:

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    Guns N' Roses - Paradise City

    Music video by Guns N' Roses performing Paradise City. YouTube view counts pre-VEVO: 3,424,935. (C) 1988 Guns N' Roses under exclusive license to Geffen Records

    http://www.youtube.com/v/Rbm6GXllBiw
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  • DeputyMSU said...

    Don't be stupid. If someone covered "Run to the Hils" in the same style that Maiden played it, that still wouldn't be a pop song. Did GNR cover "Live and Let Die" exactly how wings played the song. No....they played it in more of a rock style.

    Sheryl Crow is definitely pop rock....when she covered "Sweet Child O' Mine" she lightened it up....I don't believe her version included any of the heavy breakdown at the end of the song as was heard on the original GNR version.

    It is not the song...it is how it is played and sang.

    Axl behind a piano, Elton Johnning it up, with a horn section. Pop rock.

    A heavy breakdown at the end of a song doesn't invalidate the rest of the pop sensibilities of the song. Sweet Child O Mine is a pop song.

    Is Billie Jean a pop song? Eddie did a pretty wailing solo on it. By your criteria, that solo could completely change the scope of the song.

    WavSpartan

  • Klevin Torborg said...

    So, how about Talk Dirty To Me or Every Rose (Has It's Thorns)? Poison was most definitely a pop band.

    Of course they were. So was Crue. So was GNR.

    WavSpartan

  • Plate of Shrimp said...

    Again... this is a pop song. Let's leave the wikipedia links and all the musicologist bullshit out of this... and listen to the music. If you can't admit that this is a pop song then, well, let's just agree to disagree:

    I would disagree. The guitar rigs on that song are not very poppy.

    Klevin Torborg

  • Klevin Torborg said...

    So, how about Talk Dirty To Me or Every Rose (Has It's Thorns)? Poison was most definitely a pop band.

    This is when threads need to stop before they descend into total comprehension chaos...

    You post as if Wav was saying Poison wasn't a pop band.

    This post was edited by Plate of Shrimp on 4/12/2012 at 6:49 PM

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  • WavSpartan said...

    Of course they were. So was Crue. So was GNR.

    Nope. There was a definite difference between Poison and GNR. I am curious Wav, was/is Metalica a pop band?

    Klevin Torborg

  • Plate of Shrimp said...

    This is when threads need to stop before they descend into total comprehension chaos...

    You post as if Wav was saying Poison wasn't a pop band.

    I was just pointing to their obvious bubbly gummy nature, which is not the same with GNR.

    Klevin Torborg

  • Plate of Shrimp said...

    Wait... so if you dispute the thing you used earlier to support your argument (wikipedia) does your internet collapse in on itself?

    I wasn't disputing it...I was stating that the following section is a bit ambiguous
    Pop music...."primarily come into usage to describe music that evolved out of the rock 'n roll revolution of the mid-1950's and continues in a definable path to today.".

    The sentence can be read with the understanding that pop evolved out of rock. However, since pop predated rock music, I think what the sentence is trying to say is that pop music today contains many elements of rock & roll and it's derivatives that came about since the 1950's.

    DeputyMSU

  • WavSpartan said...

    Axl behind a piano, Elton Johnning it up, with a horn section. Pop rock.

    A heavy breakdown at the end of a song doesn't invalidate the rest of the pop sensibilities of the song. Sweet Child O Mine is a pop song.

    Is Billie Jean a pop song? Eddie did a pretty wailing solo on it. By your criteria, that solo could completely change the scope of the song.

    I think GNR took a pop song and rocked it out...seems much heavier than the Wings version to me.

    Sweet Child O Mine comes close......like I said not everything fits nicely in one bucket....but the end of that song is very rock and roll.

    Billie Jean....definitely pop....but Eddie was on Beat it.

    Now Dirty Diana....that was kinda rock.

    DeputyMSU

  • Here's a question: Is Revolution 9 by The Beatles pop music?

    I would say no way to that.

    Howler ●

  • Klevin Torborg said...

    Nope. There was a definite difference between Poison and GNR.

    Of course! They're two different bands! There is a difference between Motley Crue and Nickelback. It doesn't mean that they're not both pop. Bands don't have to be alike to be a pop band. The genre is big enough for multiple acts doing multiple things.

    As for your Metallica question, I'm not too familiar with Metallica's new stuff, but I think they went on TRL back in the day so I'll let that speak for itself

    WavSpartan

  • People with subjective tastes arguing about subjective groups, the semantics of the names of which are themselves subjective.

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  • DeputyMSU said...

    I think GNR took a pop song and rocked it out...seems much heavier than the Wings version to me.

    Sweet Child O Mine comes close......like I said not everything fits nicely in one bucket....but the end of that song is very rock and roll.

    Billie Jean....definitely pop....but Eddie was on Beat it.

    Now Dirty Diana....that was kinda rock.

    It's all pop. Van Halen, Wings, GNR....It's all pop rock. And they work with pop acts.

    WavSpartan

  • Howler said...

    Here's a question: Is Revolution 9 by The Beatles pop music?

    I would say no way to that.

    Nah....It's Music Concrete.

    WavSpartan

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