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B1G mailblog: Walverine, or brilliant trolling attempt?

  • I honestly can't make up my mind.

    "Dear Adam, I love Michigan State football, but don't understand why they are considered to be a great team in the 2012 season. Coach Dantonio is an amazing coach and I feel like he is giving them a lot of momentum, but the team is losing huge assets such as Kirk Cousins, Jerel Worthy and B.J. Cunningham. Also, their incoming recruiting class wasn't ranked in the top 25. Michigan State plays a tough schedule with top tier recruits such as Ohio State ranked 6th according to recruiting nation, Michigan ranked 7th and Notre Dame ranked 9th. Why are they still considered to be in the hunt for the 2012 Big Ten Championship?"

    Big Ten mailblog - Big Ten Blog - ESPN

    Let's get to it. Chris from Chicago writes: Hey Adam - very interesting post about recruiting and player development.I think that fanbases are

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    ashamanAJSV

  • I read that and instantly thought "Wolvatroll."

    SpartyFunk

  • ashamanAJSV said...

    I honestly can't make up my mind.

    "Dear Adam, I love Michigan State football, but don't understand why they are considered to be a great team in the 2012 season. Coach Dantonio is an amazing coach and I feel like he is giving them a lot of momentum, but the team is losing huge assets such as Kirk Cousins, Jerel Worthy and B.J. Cunningham. Also, their incoming recruiting class wasn't ranked in the top 25. Michigan State plays a tough schedule with top tier recruits such as Ohio State ranked 6th according to recruiting nation, Michigan ranked 7th and Notre Dame ranked 9th. Why are they still considered to be in the hunt for the 2012 Big Ten Championship?"

    Adam Rittenberg owned him pretty easily either way.

    Being called a sunshine blower is not insulting to me and I'm proud to be one.

    SpartyFever

  • I saw that yesterday and thought the same thing. Has to be sarcastic right? lol Very well executed.

    ARW Lasers20025

  • No one does more with less than Dantonio, that's why. And simply put, those schools have always had better classes and we have more often than not come out on top. That's why.

    I say Walverine.

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    TheBlitzIsOn

  • SpartyFunk said...

    I read that and instantly thought "Wolvatroll."

    See, I thought that too, but after about 6 weeks of constantly slurping scUM and O$U for their recruiting, maybe it was a brilliantly crafted satire?

    Then I look at it again and think no, definitely wolvatroll. Either way, it's either the best or the worst trolling attempt I've ever seen.

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    ashamanAJSV

  • What self-proclaimed MSU lover refers to the team as "they"?

    Final Countdown

  • I thought Walverine as well when i read that a couple hours ago.

    Serenity

  • Tanfan?

    Vince of 231 ●

  • I'm not an expert on linquintists, but that appears to be written by someone in High School. Troll isn't the right word.

    Frank Ricard

  • There are self loathers up in here who are as bad or worse than that inbred UM fanboy.

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    Hank Moody ●

  • troll for sure

    SD Spartan

  • ashamanAJSV said...

    "Also, their incoming recruiting class wasn't ranked in the top 25."

    Troll.

    MSU has always been "out recruited" according to the "I'll pay you money (recruiting sites) to make me feel good about losing to my rival... ah... I mean... 'lesser' in-state school for the past four years."

    How has recruiting changed in the past 40+ years?

    Easy answer, it hasn't. I'm content doubling Michigan's score the past two years if all they get in return is a moral booster in February.

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  • Final Countdown said...

    What self-proclaimed MSU lover refers to the team as "they"?

    I'm surprised he didn't let a sparty slip out.

    hoke- to alter or manipulate so as to give a deceptively or superficially improved quality or value.

    The Doctor

  • TheBlitzIsOn said...

    No one does more with less than Dantonio, that's why.

    Or Dantonio is better at evaluating high school talent than commerical recruiting services. The idea that MSU has less talent than the teams they are beating is hilarious. The only way to reach this conclusion is by evaluating MSU's talent by a players high school Rivals' ranking. At this point, we have far too much evidence to use Rivals' rankings as a metric for MSU's talent.

    Last year, MSU played what could amount to 15 or more NFL draft picks. How many other B10 programs had more future NFL players see significant playing time (i.e. not developing underclassman on the bench)?

    Here are MSU's key players at every position last year. By my estimation, at least, fifteen will be drafted. Several others could easily be drafted, although they're prospects are still too unproven or inconsistent (e.g. Norman, McDonald, Jackson, Allen, Rush, Fonoti, France, Burkland, Lippett).

    Cousins (future NFL draft pick)
    Baker (future NFL draft pick)
    Bell (future NFL draft pick)
    Sims (future NFL draft pick)
    Linthicum (future NFL draft pick)
    Cunningham (future NFL draft pick)
    Martin (future NFL draft pick)
    Nichol
    Fonoti
    McDonald
    Jackson
    Foreman
    France
    Burkland
    Gholston (future NFL draft pick)
    Worthy (future NFL draft pick)
    Pickelman
    AR White (future NFL draft pick)
    Rush
    Drone
    Bullough (future NFL draft pick)
    Norman
    Allen
    Robinson (future NFL draft pick)
    Lewis (future NFL draft pick)
    Adams (future NFL draft pick)
    Dennard (future NFL draft pick)
    Lippett

    If anything, MSU is only lacking proven NFL level talent on the offensive line. So, based on our success, you could maybe argue MSU is doing more with less on the offensive line. But with a young developing line, MSU may only be a couple years away. And nevertheless, MSU has had NFL talent at every other position group.

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  • The Doctor said...

    I'm surprised he didn't let a sparty slip out.

    That's what she said....

    "Leave the gun.....take the cannoli" "It's not your job to be as confused as Nigel."

    Son of Sparta

  • I've seen this question asked at least 3 times since the end of the season from, I believe, a Wolverine, a Buckeye and a Badger. They need to get over it already.

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    Who sees all beings in his own self, and his own self in all beings, loses all fear." Isa Upanishad

    GentlemanG

  • TheBlitzIsOn said...

    No one does more with less than Dantonio, that's why. And simply put, those schools have always had better classes and we have more often than not come out on top. That's why.

    I say Walverine.

    Rittenberg's response screams..."why do I get 200 of these questions, statements every day....please stop!"

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  • Gus Chiggins said...

    Or Dantonio is better at evaluating high school talent than commerical recruiting services. The idea that MSU has less talent than the teams they are beating is hilarious. The only way to reach this conclusion is by evaluating MSU's talent by a players high school Rivals' ranking. At this point, we have far too much evidence to use Rivals' rankings as a metric for MSU's talent.

    Last year, MSU played what could amount to 15 or more NFL draft picks. How many other B10 programs had more future NFL players see significant playing time (i.e. not developing underclassman on the bench)?

    Here are MSU's key players at every position last year. By my estimation, at least, fifteen will be drafted. Several others could easily be drafted, although they're prospects are still too unproven or inconsistent (e.g. Norman, McDonald, Jackson, Allen, Rush, Fonoti, France, Burkland, Lippett).

    Cousins (future NFL draft pick) Baker (future NFL draft pick) Bell (future NFL draft pick) Sims (future NFL draft pick) Linthicum (future NFL draft pick) Cunningham (future NFL draft pick) Martin (future NFL draft pick) Nichol Fonoti McDonald Jackson Foreman France Burkland Gholston (future NFL draft pick) Worthy (future NFL draft pick) Pickelman AR White (future NFL draft pick) Rush Drone Bullough (future NFL draft pick) Norman Allen Robinson (future NFL draft pick) Lewis (future NFL draft pick) Adams (future NFL draft pick) Dennard (future NFL draft pick) Lippett

    If anything, MSU is only lacking proven NFL level talent on the offensive line. So, based on our success, you could maybe argue MSU is doing more with less on the offensive line. But with a young developing line, MSU may only be a couple years away. And nevertheless, MSU has had NFL talent at every other position group.

    GREAT post.

    Suggesting MD is doing more with less is an insult to his evaluation AND development skills. Further, it seems to put these recruiting services on some sort of authoritative pedestal when it comes to who decides who is talented or not.

    For example, if this staff is offering a DB from OH in January through July (camps), irrespective of what "the experts" on rivals, scout, 24/7 say...people should pay attention (like Hokey did last year).

    Oh, this coming season will likely be MSU's best OL in over 10 years.

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    Hank Moody ●

  • ashamanAJSV said...

    I honestly can't make up my mind.

    "Dear Adam, I love Michigan State football, but don't understand why they are considered to be a great team in the 2012 season. Coach Dantonio is an amazing coach and I feel like he is giving them a lot of momentum, but the team is losing huge assets such as Kirk Cousins, Jerel Worthy and B.J. Cunningham. Also, their incoming recruiting class wasn't ranked in the top 25. Michigan State plays a tough schedule with top tier recruits such as Ohio State ranked 6th according to recruiting nation, Michigan ranked 7th and Notre Dame ranked 9th. Why are they still considered to be in the hunt for the 2012 Big Ten Championship?"

    Just reading the question, it is obvious this person doesn't understand college football. You can't win college football games with true freshman, but you can lose them. Now, that isn't to say they cannot contribute and help you win games, but you can't win by relying on significant contributions from several true freshman. So, where a team recruited last year isn't going to affect the following year's team. In fact, they probably won't truely impact the team until their third year.

    Last year, MSU lost several key players also. They also didn't bring in a top ten class. They also redshirted nearly their entire recruiting class. One player played, contributing on special teams and rarely at linebacker due to several injuries. And guess what, they didn't drop off. You gotta look at redshirt freshmen and redshirt sophomores for your next contributors first. Only if the numbers aren't there should you look to true freshman as possible impact players.

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    Gus Chiggins

  • Gus Chiggins said...

    Or Dantonio is better at evaluating high school talent than commerical recruiting services. The idea that MSU has less talent than the teams they are beating is hilarious. The only way to reach this conclusion is by evaluating MSU's talent by a players high school Rivals' ranking. At this point, we have far too much evidence to use Rivals' rankings as a metric for MSU's talent.

    Last year, MSU played what could amount to 15 or more NFL draft picks. How many other B10 programs had more future NFL players see significant playing time (i.e. not developing underclassman on the bench)?

    Here are MSU's key players at every position last year. By my estimation, at least, fifteen will be drafted. Several others could easily be drafted, although they're prospects are still too unproven or inconsistent (e.g. Norman, McDonald, Jackson, Allen, Rush, Fonoti, France, Burkland, Lippett).

    Cousins (future NFL draft pick) Baker (future NFL draft pick) Bell (future NFL draft pick) Sims (future NFL draft pick) Linthicum (future NFL draft pick) Cunningham (future NFL draft pick) Martin (future NFL draft pick) Nichol Fonoti McDonald Jackson Foreman France Burkland Gholston (future NFL draft pick) Worthy (future NFL draft pick) Pickelman AR White (future NFL draft pick) Rush Drone Bullough (future NFL draft pick) Norman Allen Robinson (future NFL draft pick) Lewis (future NFL draft pick) Adams (future NFL draft pick) Dennard (future NFL draft pick) Lippett

    If anything, MSU is only lacking proven NFL level talent on the offensive line. So, based on our success, you could maybe argue MSU is doing more with less on the offensive line. But with a young developing line, MSU may only be a couple years away. And nevertheless, MSU has had NFL talent at every other position group.

    I would say Norman, Denicos and even Rush are more NFL worthy at this point of their careers than White or Sims.

    But yes, the talent is there, it just doesn't show up on recruiting websites and that's what most uninformed people base it on.

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    morgarc

  • Hank Moody said...

    Oh, this coming season will likely be MSU's best OL in over 10 years.

    Agreed, although that is a low bar. The next step for this program is a first tier B10 offensive line. So far, Dantonio has had success with a makeshift line, partially due to JLS, injuries and recruiting failures. Finally, I think MSU is building some depth and talent. Hopefully, MSU will start trending up this year.

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  • Gus Chiggins said...

    Just reading the question, it is obvious this person doesn't understand college football. You can't win college football games with true freshman, but you can lose them. Now, that isn't to say they cannot contribute and help you win games, but you can't win by relying on significant contributions from several true freshman. So, where a team recruited last year isn't going to affect the following year's team. In fact, they probably won't truely impact the team until their third year.

    Last year, MSU lost several key players also. They also didn't bring in a top ten class. They also redshirted nearly their entire recruiting class. One player played, contributing on special teams and rarely at linebacker due to several injuries. And guess what, they didn't drop off. You gotta look at redshirt freshmen and redshirt sophomores for your next contributors first. Only if the numbers aren't there should you look to true freshman as possible impact players.

    I'm not disagreeing with a word you're saying here, or anyone else in this thread for that matter. I'm just entertaining the possibility that this is not, in fact, a delusional scUM high school trolljob, but rather a subtle mocking of Rittenberg for relying too much on recruiting rankings when looking at the future of the league.

    It's probably a delusional high schooler, though.

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    ashamanAJSV

  • morgarc said...

    I would say Norman, Denicos and even Rush are more NFL worthy at this point of their careers than White or Sims.

    But yes, the talent is there, it just doesn't show up on recruiting websites and that's what most uninformed people base it on.

    The problem with Allen and Rush is they are very undersized for their position. From a college football perspective, they are already very good players. But from an NFL standpoint, they might not have a real position at the next level.

    On Norman, he clearly has the physical tools, but he has had injury issues and he has been very inconsistent. Norman tends to play up to the competition (e.g. Georgia, UM), but he also disappears against lesser opponents. His goal this year will be consistent performance, improvement playing in space and durability. I think he could get drafted, but it is probably fifty/fifty at best.

    While White and Sims are similarly unproven, they have flashed big time potential and they have NFL level physical attirbutes. The NFL is always looking for powerful defensive lineman, and someone will take a guy like White. With a good year, he really has a chance to really improve his draft stock. Sims is in a similar position, although he needs to get into better shape. If he could reshape 20-30 pounds, he could be a beast. But with his size, speed and ball skills, he'll probably get drafted by a run first NFL team looking for an end-line tight end.

    This post was edited by Gus Chiggins on 2/29/2012 at 11:52 AM

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  • ashamanAJSV said...

    I'm not disagreeing with a word you're saying here, or anyone else in this thread for that matter. I'm just entertaining the possibility that this is not, in fact, a delusional scUM high school trolljob, but rather a subtle mocking of Rittenberg for relying too much on recruiting rankings when looking at the future of the league.

    It's probably a delusional high schooler, though.

    No, I know. Just pointing out the guy asking the question is clearly ignorant about college football. In fact, that probably lends credence to your assumption that he is a UM troll. Of all fanbases, they easily have the highest percentage of ignorant, deluded fanboys.

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