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Banker leaves 1% tip on $133 tab...

  • Chitown_Badger said...

    Wow. This has to be a schtick. How the people on the extremes can stare dead on into factual information and still shout "nuh uh!!!!!" is both comical and disturbing.

    Madhatter is crazy. Just leave him alone before he starts posting pics of poop.

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    Snake Plissken

  • Madhatter536 said...

    Yeah, "facts" from a self serving publication trying to justify their overblown wages. Sure, I believe it, not.

    Ok. I see what you're doing. You know you're wrong, but you're not going to tire of the foolish responses...but I have.

    Chitown_Badger

  • Chitown_Badger said...

    And you can make your employer a lot of money....

    don't forget that. That's why ditch diggers may work hard, but they aren't making anyone any money.

    But isn't hard work supposed to be the cure for poverty? All you hear is people don't work hard enough, and now you say hard work isn't going to make any difference. No wonder connies love mittens so much. He taught them how to flip flop and actually believe they know what they are doing.

    Madhatter536

  • Madhatter536 said...

    Don't believe it, never will. They don't call 9 - 3 "Bankers Hours" for nothing.

    I think you are confusing investment bankers with bank tellers

    JohnGalt1

  • JohnGalt1 said...

    I think you are confusing investment bankers with bank tellers

    No, bank tellers do work. Investment bankers, not so much.

    Madhatter536

  • Chitown_Badger said...

    Ok. I see what you're doing. You know you're wrong, but you're not going to tire of the foolish responses...but I have.

    So far I have seen only opinons saying I am wrong. No facts, just opinions. Maybe once in a while a banker works a few hours overtime, but to claim it is all of them all of the time, that's just BS and you know it.

    And Snake, I have never posted pictures of poop as that would entail learning how to post pictures which I am not interested in doing. And yes, I am a little bit crazy. Dealing with nutjob conservatives everyday has that affect on a person.

    Madhatter536

  • ming said...

    How so? Trading pieces of paper (or bits of data) back and forth between several parties creates exactly what? Originally the value added by investment banking was to efficiently facilitate the allocation of capital to the businesses and industries that needed it... like oil in machinery. They still serve that purpose but it is being overshadowed by speculative gambling and the conversion of practically everything into a financial instrument. What purpose does trillions of dollars in derivatives serve the world economy? It's simply become a tangled web of bets and counter bets piled on top of even more counter bets that goes far beyond any hedge play. Fees and commissions are how investment banks make money and the incentives are skewed to increase "churn" not to allocate capital resources efficiently.

    The financial services industry in an absolutely essential part of a capitalist economy and performs a vital roll. It always has and it always will. But it's pretty clear now that the industry as a whole is quite out of equilibrium when it comes to incentives, compensation and added value and most people who work in finance that I have spoken with will admit to as much.

    1. The net derivatives position is much smaller that what you are implying.
    2. Extremely liquid markets give the US a huge competitive advantage over the rest of the world - I won't get into details on the huge list of reasons why this is true
    3. If you think these people are so stupid for gambling a certain way, why don't you take the other side of the trade?
    4. Hedging is a very valuable tool - let someone else take the risk that your crop gets screwed by weather or the oil you are planning to dig out of the ground is suddenly worth half the price it was when you began the project because Iran decided to double output or Obama released some of the US strategic reserves. A sophisticated investor can afford to take that risk and not blow up, a farmer or small oil MLP cannot. Essentially, it allows entrepreneurs to avoid risk of ruin.

    JohnGalt1

  • Madhatter536 said...

    So far I have seen only opinons saying I am wrong. No facts, just opinions. Maybe once in a while a banker works a few hours overtime, but to claim it is all of them all of the time, that's just BS and you know it.

    And Snake, I have never posted pictures of poop as that would entail learning how to post pictures which I am not interested in doing. And yes, I am a little bit crazy. Dealing with nutjob conservatives everyday has that affect on a person.

    I lived it buddy. Run along to your Occupy protest...

    JohnGalt1

  • Snake Plissken said...

    Madhatter is crazy. Just leave him alone before he starts posting pics of poop.

    I take it the people who are arguing with Hatter have never been to Wells. They would understand that debating anything with him is futile.

    DeputyMSU

  • JohnGalt1 said...

    1. The net derivatives position is much smaller that what you are implying. 2. Extremely liquid markets give the US a huge competitive advantage over the rest of the world - I won't get into details on the huge list of reasons why this is true 3. If you think these people are so stupid for gambling a certain way, why don't you take the other side of the trade? 4. Hedging is a very valuable tool - let someone else take the risk that your crop gets screwed by weather or the oil you are planning to dig out of the ground is suddenly worth half the price it was when you began the project because Iran decided to double output or Obama released some of the US strategic reserves. A sophisticated investor can afford to take that risk and not blow up, a farmer or small oil MLP cannot. Essentially, it allows entrepreneurs to avoid risk of ruin.

    And all of that is fine, except they don't risk their own money. They risk other peoples money. Part of investing is the willingness to take the risk of losing YOUR money. Banksters don't do that anymore. Now they operate under the premise that profit is private, but loss has to be subsidized by the taxpayer. They changed the rules to heads I win, tails you lose. And that's just not right no matter how you spin it.

    Madhatter536

  • JohnGalt1 said...

    I lived it buddy. Run along to your Occupy protest...

    I call BS.

    Madhatter536

  • DeputyMSU said...

    I take it the people who are arguing with Hatter have never been to Wells. They would understand that debating anything with him is futile.

    Because I never lose. roflmao

    Madhatter536

  • Madhatter536 said...

    Because I never lose. roflmao

    Problem is......you never win either.

    DeputyMSU

  • DeputyMSU said...

    Problem is......you never win either.

    Prove me wrong and I will admit I am wrong. So far, it hasn't happened by those who claim bankers work so hard. As for the receipt, yeah, I admit, it was a hoax.

    This post was edited by Madhatter536 on 2/28/2012 at 3:39 PM

    Madhatter536

  • JohnGalt1 said...

    1. The net derivatives position is much smaller that what you are implying. 2. Extremely liquid markets give the US a huge competitive advantage over the rest of the world - I won't get into details on the huge list of reasons why this is true 3. If you think these people are so stupid for gambling a certain way, why don't you take the other side of the trade? 4. Hedging is a very valuable tool - let someone else take the risk that your crop gets screwed by weather or the oil you are planning to dig out of the ground is suddenly worth half the price it was when you began the project because Iran decided to double output or Obama released some of the US strategic reserves. A sophisticated investor can afford to take that risk and not blow up, a farmer or small oil MLP cannot. Essentially, it allows entrepreneurs to avoid risk of ruin.

    1. The actual potential exposure is much less but not the market itself taken in total. The combined bets of who-knows-how-many derivatives stacked on top of one another is in the trillions. So even though they all couldn't possibly lose simultaneously, the potential for systemic risk was real and a primary motivator of the bailouts. So suffice to say they were not insignificant.

    2. This is true and the primary function of Wall Street. There are limits to what extent this is beneficial however if it gets out of control (as it did).

    3. I did and emerged unscathed from the sub-prime meltdown though I was not nearly savvy enough to actually profit from it as a very very small number of investors did. But the larger issue is the systemic risk incurred by these massively leveraged bets that result in economic collapses that are nearly impossible to avoid.

    4. Yes, that is the classical function of hedging and it is still a very valuable tool. Interesting that you use farming and commodities are examples of how beneficial it can be as not so long ago that's pretty much the primary sectors that futures markets dealt with. I suppose I don't have to post any current data showing which sectors dominate the hedge markets today?

    ming

  • I am officially tired of this thread.

    Io Triumphe

  • Io Triumphe said...

    I am officially tired of this thread.

    clap

    Really should be Wells at this point. Hey, mods!

    SpartanInNH

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    So, the story goes like this: a wealthy, vicious member of the “1 percent” goes into a True Food Kitchen, he runs up a three-figure tab, leaves a 1 percent tip, and then writes “GET A REAL JOB” on the receipt. Wow, what an awful person! Can this...

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  • Bill Raftery said...

    Kind of a dick move, but behind closed doors, wait staff have been some of the most entitled people I've ever met. Some of them probably should get a real job already.

    Absolutely.

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