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Billy Dee said...
Having your own means you own it, not someone else. Bordain was always an employee. Anyone who has worked that many years in a restaurant usually craves having their own place. Read KC but not Med Raw. Bourdain is now an entertainer TV personality just like the people he makes fun of, he is no longer the Exec Chef. Seems pretty hypocritical but hey, he's doing better than he ever has before and it beats the hell out of cooking for a living. He may say he misses it but that's BS. He would open his own place if he missed it bad enough so I call BS on his manufactured nostalgia for working the line and his outrage at his fellow TV folk. He became what he loathes. I sure wish I had his gig and some of that self loathing type $ he's bringing in. Paula Deen isn't the first diabetic in denial and she won't be the last. She was pretty damn stupid to think she could hide it seeing as how she may be one of the most visible TV personalities in the country right now. Seems everybody but you and Bourdain love her drawls and ya'lls.
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Billy Dee said...
Uhm,
I'm confused, You really don't get the distinction between owning the place and controlling everything and it's yours with your name on it vs. working for someone else? Succeding with your own ideas and making your own money vs. cashing a check signed by someone else? Owning a restaurant is usually the dream of anyone who works in the industry. I don't know how many culinary grads you have worked with or hired but I have a great amount of experience with them. Give me a Dennys line cook over 90% of CIA grads and I'll again take the Dennys line cook over about 70% of Johnson and Wales grads. Culinary school produces a lot of people who think they are Chefs and may or not be able to cook a decent meal. They produce damn few who actually know how to run a kitchen and put out a decent product in an acceptable time frame. And as to the financial side of an operation, most Culinary grads are absolutely clueless. Cost control is a foreign concept to them because cooking is an art and it cannot be compromised in their mindset. That's a great way to go broke. If your impressed with cooking school credentials let me show you what Bourdain says:
http://www.seriouseats.com/2010/09/anthony-bourdain-on-culinary-school.html
The best training comes from hands on when it comes to cooking. No Culinary school can duplicate the real world.
Fieri may be a douche but he has just as much cred if not more than Bourdain because he did what Bourdain did not do. He stuck his ass out there an opened a place with his money and made it. Bourdain can criticize everyone else but he has never had the balls to do that.
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Tony Fazoli said...
I've been watching Bourdain's new show, "The Layover", and he has said multiple times in this show, "I hate hipsters". This seems kinda bizarre, because he seems like a former hipster, and I'd imagine at least half of his audience is hipsters or aging former hipsters.
Good show though, and maybe he's saying this to appeal to the "square" crowd.
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boozhoo said...
you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Bourdain readily admits his fuck ups...that he wasted his chance to be a great chef....that the success of KC was total luck and he has the greatest job in the world: a tv network lets him travel all over the world and eat food and talk to people and he gets to pick where and they let him smoke and drink and swear and do whatever the fuck he wants. Everything he's ever written includes a caveat that he's never been nor ever will be a great chef. he's NEVER suggested he is.
What he is is a guy with a sincere passion for food, culture, history, and trying to expose fat lazy americans to something a little different. He's not afraid to blast the Food Network because they both encourage Americans to embrace mediocrity while also encouraging people into believing they can be the next great foodie on TV - resulting in more obnoxious people like Fieri. Real chefs almost universally revere Bourdain...that tells you all you need to know.
There is not a more self-deprecating guy on TV...your criticisms of him are laughable.
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JMSparty08 said...
Guy apparently fired back with a response this morning, and I do agree with him somewhat in that it appeared that this critic was just ripping on his restaurant to rip on Fieri. That said, the comments to the articles do shed light regarding the true quality of that restaurant from "normal" patrons. It appears the the service is slow, the food is blah, and it's overpriced. It appears more of the classic celebrity chef restaurant tourist trap than anything actually substantial. It's essentially an Applebee's with Fieri's name on it.
It'll probably be wildly successful even though, for those prices, you'd be better served to find something not as touristy.
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jjspartan said...
The restaurant is located in frickin Times Square. Those prices aren't shit in New York and you shouldn't expect to get a gourment dinner for those prices. That food critic sounds like a giant douche bag with some agenda cause he got sent to review Fieri's restaurant rather than some 5 star establishiment where he can keep his nose up in the air. I bet Guy makes millions at that location. The critic sounded like he ordered a little of everything on the menu then has to be a dick and bitch about not getting a side of fries. I like both Bourdain and Fieri for different reasons. They both seem down to earth. Anthony is not afraid to drink copious amounts of alcohol on Tv. Guy apparently is not shy about tasting food when he is all smoke up. I laugh my ass off at him when his eyes are glazed over and he clearly has the munchies.
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chris14 said...
Arguments about authenticity aside, Well's criticisms are that the service was terrible and that the food was bad. What's so elitist and snooty about noticing and saying that the stuff coming out of the kitchen is just terrible?
The hypocrisy here is in Fieri hosting a show that's good because it searches out food that's good, cheap, has connections to the area it sits in, tells interesting stories either about the owner, the restaurant, or the area around it....and then he turns around and uses that goodwill to build this shining mecca of a money-grab built around shitty food.
As for expecting gourmet food for those prices, some of the very, very best food in NYC comes cheap. Those people aren't paying higher prices for their supplies than Fieri's place is....
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chris14 said...
Arguments about authenticity aside, Well's criticisms are that the service was terrible and that the food was bad. What's so elitist and snooty about noticing and saying that the stuff coming out of the kitchen is just terrible?
The hypocrisy here is in Fieri hosting a show that's good because it searches out food that's good, cheap, has connections to the area it sits in, tells interesting stories either about the owner, the restaurant, or the area around it....and then he turns around and uses that goodwill to build this shining mecca of a money-grab built around shitty food.
As for expecting gourmet food for those prices, some of the very, very best food in NYC comes cheap. Those people aren't paying higher prices for their supplies than Fieri's place is....
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The restaurant is located in frickin Times Square. Those prices aren't shit in New York and you shouldn't expect to get a gourment dinner for those prices. That food critic sounds like a giant douche bag with some agenda cause he got sent to review Fieri's restaurant rather than some 5 star establishiment where he can keep his nose up in the air.
This post was edited by State1995 on 11/16/2012 at 2:47 PM
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Better TV personality: Guy Fieri or Anthony Bourdain?