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Misterray said...
Laugh all you want--but we're really arguing over the definition of "close".
Peyton Manning single-handedly made the Colts a playoff team. Without him they are utter crap. This is demonstrated on the field and is undeniable. As quarterback, he is ALSO --in practical terms-- the offensive coordinator.
Brady -while excellent- is not the entire team. The Patriots success is the product of a number of players including Brady.
Brady doesn't come close to Manning's understanding of the game, and his abilty to elevate the play of his teammates.
The debate IS over. Manning is better. Whether you think its "close" or not is basically semantics.
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Misterray said...
Laugh all you want--but we're really arguing over the definition of "close".
Peyton Manning single-handedly made the Colts a playoff team. Without him they are utter crap. This is demonstrated on the field and is undeniable. As quarterback, he is ALSO --in practical terms-- the offensive coordinator.
Brady -while excellent- is not the entire team. The Patriots success is the product of a number of players including Brady.
Brady doesn't come close to Manning's understanding of the game, and his abilty to elevate the play of his teammates.
The debate IS over. Manning is better. Whether you think its "close" or not is basically semantics.
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ArtieLuvPancake said...
Hahaha what QB isn't in a "system"?
I guess Joe Montana should be considered a system QB. He was in Walsh's West Coast Offense, after all.
And if the "system" was so great that Brady is in, why didn't it light America up when McDaniel's took it to Denver? Why didn't Charlie Weis win a title at Notre Dame? The system argument is truly the dumbest and most ridiculous argument there is.
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ArtieLuvPancake said...
Hahaha what QB isn't in a "system"?
I guess Joe Montana should be considered a system QB. He was in Walsh's West Coast Offense, after all.
And if the "system" was so great that Brady is in, why didn't it light America up when McDaniel's took it to Denver? Why didn't Charlie Weis win a title at Notre Dame? The system argument is truly the dumbest and most ridiculous argument there is.
Montana didn't play in the spread era.
You watch on Sunday. Brady won't throw a pass over ten yards. Matt Cassel won 10 games in the same system.
How do you explain that? Matt Cassel didn't play a snap in six years, dating back to USC. Bill made Tom, face it!
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northandwells said...
Giants will win, unless Brady gets hurt and Hoyer comes in.
I bet on the Giants.....now I just don't know. Brady getting hurt doesn't really bother me, Hoyer winning the big game I like, but I would have to buy my client a lunch.
OK, I vote for me buying my client a lunch
This post was edited by northandwells on 2/3/2012 at 6:35 PM
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Spartan8Ball said...
Montana didn't play in the spread era.
You watch on Sunday. Brady won't throw a pass over ten yards. Matt Cassel won 10 games in the same system.
How do you explain that? Matt Cassel didn't play a snap in six years, dating back to USC. Bill made Tom, face it!
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ArtieLuvPancake said...
Matt Cassel threw for 3,000 yards in each of his first 2 season in Kansas City. Last season he threw for 27 TDs and 7 INTs and had a QB rating of 93.
I'm not sure I'm supposed to be shocked that he stepped into the starting role in New England and succeeded considering it was his 4th season with the team and he had plenty of time to learn the playbook behind Brady. And as I illustrated above, he's been moderately successful in KC, so it's not like he doesn't belong in the NFL.
PS... What the fuck kind of offense do you think the West Coast Offense is if you think Montana didn't play in "the spread era" (whatever the hell the 'spread era' is..)
Go compare the stats between QB's today and QB's 20 years ago. Different style of football. Is 3,000 yards something special anymore? Nope! Who was Cassels OC that year?
How did he do this year without that OC?
I hate arguing with people that know nothing about football.
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Spartan8Ball said...
Go compare the stats between QB's today and QB's 20 years ago. Different style of football. Is 3,000 yards something special anymore? Nope! Who was Cassels OC that year?
How did he do this year without that OC?
I hate arguing with people that know nothing about football.
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ArtieLuvPancake said...
Uhh Cassel's OC was Chan Gailey/Todd Hailey that first year. Further, Matt Cassel played ZERO seasons in New England while Charlie Weis was there... so I'm not sure what your point is regarding that.
And of course passing is more prevalent nowadays, I'm not sure why you even bring that up. The larger point is Joe Montana played in a spread offense (there's no such thing as a 'spread era'), and by your calculation is a "system quarterback" so should be excluded from any consideration from the best ever list. I'm glad you think you know so much about football, but the fact that you even think "system quarterbacks" exist shows just how little you know.
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UsedToBeBrad said...
Alright, then let's define close.
Who are QBs in your mind that are unquestionably better than Brady but also unquestionably worse than Peyton?
If the two aren't even close (your words) there should quite a few guys who you could put in that Venn Diagram.
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