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ClankyIronBoots said...
He was an awful offensive player while he was a catcher (the only other position he played regularly in his career). Most catchers are awful at the plate. That is why I broke it down with his production while at 3B.
The fact he batter near the bottom of the order is why I always wonder why he got so much hate. I honestly think that people hate Inge fans more than Inge himself.
Wait 5 years a few years after Inge is gone to gauge how much the fans miss him. A lot of people were pretty shocked and upset by Pudge's abrupt trade. Guillen was a little different because he was injured so often that his departure was well known in advance.
Not really interested in getting into a racial debate over this. People have their reasons for having their favorite player. I would probably agree that Inge is loved because of his perceived scrappy work ethic and he is white. It is what it is. I am not going to piss on a guy's decade long career because he is over the hill and has annoying downriver fans.
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ClankyIronBoots said...
If you want real baseball stats, don't use ESPN.
Here is a link from Baseball-Reference that has Inge's career splits adjusted to 650 PA and sorted by position.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?t=b&id=ingebr01&year=Career&team=&per162=1#defp::none
This post was edited by TravisotCosmos on 4/2/2012 at 6:55 PM
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Rocket_Play said...
What was his batting average over his career. How does that compare to the MLB average for a starter. For any player. Any position. Is it below or above average? What is his career fielding percentage. How does that compare to other 3rd basemen. Stolen bases, power numbers, RBI's. Looking at his career in totality, his career was below average. Were he Latino, no one would care about the guy.
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Punisher99 said...
From 2004-2007 he averaged 3.5 WAR a year, which is very solid. 2009 and 2010 were decent years too.
Again, I'm not saying the dude was great. Average is probably what I'd go with. You're choosing to pick out batting average, RBI, SB and fielding percentage which are four of the worst stats in baseball (to go with runs). His UZR and slugging percentages were actually pretty solid for his entire career, and he's a third basemen. Not exactly a position where you're always going to find guys that can mash.
The dude is what he is. A below-average contact hitter with average power and an above-average glove and arm. If you want to live in the dark ages and bring up his fielding percentage or RBI, that's fine. All in all he was a decent player for his career and that's why he played 11 years in the Bigs.
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Rocket_Play said...
Go back one page. There is a poster saying he should become one of our coaches, or that he could go be a useful utility man somewhere. Go back more pages, people doing mental gymnastics on how to fit him into the team. I believe there is a post a few pages back (or perhaps in one of the other Inge threads) where someone says "So what if he costs us one or two games? That won't be the difference in the Central" Listen to talk radio. A guy called into the Jamie and Wojo Friday and said if he won the lottery, he would buy the Tigers to keep Inge on the team because he loves the city. This is not imagined, and any of the insanity that tries to find a spot for him in this team needs to be stamped out. We're going for a world series. A never-was shouldn't be our hottest story.
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Rocket_Play said...
Hoping against hope for news that he'd been cut. Instead it's "He was a great Tiger and doesn't deserve to go out to a chorus of boos" and "He should be hired as a coach!" SMH. EDIT: I would also note that this is the death watch thread, not the talk about how great he was thread.
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Rocket_Play said...
In 5 years at the Inge statue unveiling next to Kaline, people will be wondering whatever happened to that drunk that took Brandon's job. And I'll probably be complaining that Prince isn't producing anymore and isn't even a good DH at that point. So long as we win a WS between now and then, I can live with all of it, except the Inge statue.
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Yo. I dont think he has any place on the roster in Detroit. But somewhere out there, among the "too many teams in baseball", there is a spot. A lonely spot at the end of someones bench, where he can be of some use.
If it comes down to: Inge at the end of the bench, getting one or 2 at bats a week, or some rookie that shows promise, why would you waste that rookies time. Keep him developing in the minors.
You are right, this should not be our hottest story, but the people that continue to hate on him are making it that way.
The guy gave 14 years to the organization, and didnt get out of line too often. He was constantly having to learn a new position to survive, and only spoke up about it on a few occasions. He has made a ton of money and Detroit owes him nothing, except a kind farewell. I am disappointed that more people cant lose the hate.
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Inge was out of line all the time. He spent a whole winter whining his ass off when the team acquired Cabrera. Spent a whole winter whining about being a catcher
whine, whine, whine about all Inge was good at
A-fucking-men. I was actually an Inge supporter for most of his years in the bigs. It's been the last few years, and his actions in those, that have turned me in the opposite direction.
Let's also not forget that he's a scUM fan/supporter. I'll leave it at that.
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Punisher99 said...
From 2004-2007 he averaged 3.5 WAR a year, which is very solid. 2009 and 2010 were decent years too.
Again, I'm not saying the dude was great. Average is probably what I'd go with. You're choosing to pick out batting average, RBI, SB and fielding percentage which are four of the worst stats in baseball (to go with runs). His UZR and slugging percentages were actually pretty solid for his entire career, and he's a third basemen. Not exactly a position where you're always going to find guys that can mash.
The dude is what he is. A below-average contact hitter with average power and an above-average glove and arm. If you want to live in the dark ages and bring up his fielding percentage or RBI, that's fine. All in all he was a decent player for his career and that's why he played 11 years in the Bigs.
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GatorBill said...
Get rid of 4 teams in MLB and you will be rid of players like this forever.
But as long as we have more roster spots than we have talented players, the clubs have to choose between a guy that cant quite get the job done anymore, or bringing up a guy too early and having him ride pine instead of getting quality time in the minors.
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RPMadMSU said...
What four teams would you get rid of.
Minnesota, Miami, San Diego and DC would have been on the list if they hadn't just built stadiums.
Oakland is the first team that comes to mind. Followed by TB despite their on field success. The other two? Toronto probably would be next up, and... I don't know.
Arizona draws well. Even though they suck and don't spend/make much money I think you would have a hard time prying KC, Cleveland and Pitt away from their communities. If those teams are good they are a draw.
So I don't know about 4. Two on the other hand....
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ClankyIronBoots said...
Apples to oranges. guys typically will register much higher $/WAR earlier in their career and during arbitration. Later in their career when their salary rises through free agency and skills decline, it is much harder to maintain a high $/WAR.
Also, you are comparing a platoon/bench player with a starter. Obviously, the bench player will demand a lower salary, bat against favorable splits, and/or be used as a defensive replacement.
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BH Spartan said...
In his career - he has a WAR of 17.9. So in his 11 years, he has contributed 1.5 wins/yr above replacement. Over that times, he's made $35mm+. Or roughly $2mm per win above replacement. His WAR last year was negative.
His career OPS is .692. That puts him firmly as a below average offensive player. His OPS of .542 last year is firmly in the "Atrocious" category - just below the "Terrible" category (per Bill James).
Don't use stats to say that Brandon Inge is anything more than a below average MLB offensive player.
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