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Canada thinks they were robbed or We Got Hosed, eh

  • Spartanram said...

    Ah - high school is a different animal because you have to stop the clock with the time keeper and it counts down to 0.

    I remember having to circumvent a high school rule where the keeper got hurt and his coach came on the field. The stupid rules said if a player is tended to he has to come off the field. Thing is, the keeper was fine after he got tended to. Do I make him come out and make them switch keepers, just seemed stupid. I had to a drop ball in this case, I kicked the defender out and made the player on offense kick the ball out of bounds for a throw-in, creating a stoppage. Goalie came back in. Defending team kicked the ball to midfield to the other team. Everyone was happy. Common sense won.

    Well, you just don't know the rule well.

    The player has to come off if he's tended to, but only if he's NOT the goalie. The game stops for the goalie, and the goalie doesn't have to come out after receiving medical attention.

    arfabe16

  • " During the second half, with the U.S. frantically trying to speed the game up while attempting multiple comebacks, Wambach began running near referee Christiana Pedersen and counting off the seconds that McLeod held the ball. She said she often got to 10 and into even the teens.

    "I wasn't yelling. I was just counting," Wambach revealed on Wednesday during an interview at the team hotel here. "Probably did it five to seven times."

    The last time came in the 78th minute, with Canada trying to milk a 3-2 lead. McLeod made a save and Wambach began counting again.

    "I got to 10 seconds right next to the referee and at 10 seconds she blew the whistle," Wambach said. "

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by chuckles396 on 8/7/2012 at 11:01 AM

    Abby Wambach's brains provided crucial assist to U.S. women's soccer's comeback against Canada - Yahoo! Sports

    From Yahoo! Sports: The U.S. star constantly reminded the referee about Canada's time-wasting, which led to a crucial indirect free kick.

    sports.yahoo.com

    chuckles396

  • Those Rochester (NY) girls are smart.

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    Turtleneck

  • The one thing I never understand about soccer is the timekeeping (granted, I don't watch much soccer). Why don't they just stop the clock when there is an injury or other stoppage? Adding time at the end of the match at the discretion of a referee seems like an easy way to fix games especially in a sport known for some shady officiating. What is the benefit?

    Slap

  • boozhoo said...

    which goal were they off sides on? no one mentioned that during the match.

    The delay call on the goalie was atrocious. i've NEVER seen that called. there was no warning given, and the whistle blew as she was kicking the ball - so it's not like she was just standing there. I don't have a problem with the handball - it was pretty clear. but the indirect kick that preceded it should never have been given.

    I just heard some people here mention the offside... wasn't actually looking at the TV when it happened, and didn't hear anything about it, other than tRCMB... so maybe that says something lol

    Forza

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    What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...

    Cosmo_Kramer

  • arfabe16 said...

    Well, you just don't know the rule well.

    The player has to come off if he's tended to, but only if he's NOT the goalie. The game stops for the goalie, and the goalie doesn't have to come out after receiving medical attention.

    I wonder if they changed the rule or if it has always been like that. Admittedly, I only did high school for a couple years while up at State and probably didn't read the rule book thoroughly, which in hindsight maybe was not smart. It was weird because in the metro area high school reffing wasn't respected but in Lansing there isn't much. When I moved back home I was able to get back to the normal stuff I was used to.

    Spartanram

  • Those who say the ref shouldn't have made the call are being shortsighted. How about saying "maybe those damn canadians shouldn't have kept holding the ball after being warned for breaking a rule?" Even easier than demanding that the ref ignore the rule book is demanding that the stupid goalie just kick the damn ball quickly.

    chris14

  • chuckles396 said...

    " During the second half, with the U.S. frantically trying to speed the game up while attempting multiple comebacks, Wambach began running near referee Christiana Pedersen and counting off the seconds that McLeod held the ball. She said she often got to 10 and into even the teens.

    "I wasn't yelling. I was just counting," Wambach revealed on Wednesday during an interview at the team hotel here. "Probably did it five to seven times."

    The last time came in the 78th minute, with Canada trying to milk a 3-2 lead. McLeod made a save and Wambach began counting again.

    "I got to 10 seconds right next to the referee and at 10 seconds she blew the whistle," Wambach said. "

    lol Ahhh, those sneaky Americans, playing mind games -- referring to the RULES!!!!

    SpartanInNH

  • LA_Spartan said...

    Do you have a link? Everything I've read is that she didn't get a warning.

    Funny, one team says the Canadians got warnings, the other team says they didn't. I'll leave it to you to work out which is which.

    Aw, hell, no I won't:

    McLeod, the goalkeeper, claimed she had the ball a far shorter time and the ref shouldn't have included the few seconds it took for her to get up off the ground. She also said she was never warned by Pedersen herself; she merely was given a general reminder about speeding up play from a linesman at halftime.

    "We feel like we got robbed in this game," McLeod said.

    Wambach disputes that, saying that after she started the counting routine Pedersen continually told McLeod to speed up play and McLeod would acknowledge it by raising her hand to the referee.

    Abby Wambach's brains provided crucial assist to U.S. women's soccer's comeback against Canada - Yahoo! Sports

    From Yahoo! Sports: The U.S. star constantly reminded the referee about Canada's time-wasting, which led to a crucial indirect free kick.

    sports.yahoo.com

    SpartanInNH

  • Spartanram said...

    I've refereed soccer in the past for about ten years and know some pretty high up soccer referees in the state and a few out of state. Consensus seems to be, and I would agree, the 6 second call on the goalie is complete bullshit. From my training, I remember them basically saying you never make that call, but are more or less able to threaten the goalie with it. The punishment does not fit the crime. The goalie should be instructed multiple times to release the ball. One reason is the referee has an easy mechanism, add time.

    The PK the majority seem to agree was fine. The issue than being, the indirect free kick that preceded the deliberate hand ball should have never been called.

    I was at work so I was not able to watch the game, so I can't really speak to overall how the referee did.

    I didn't watch the game, had the Canadian goalie been doing it a lot? Yeah, you can add time, but eventually you don't want to be adding a couple of minutes just because of the goalie, and since it's a tactic to win with a lead, the yellow means jack and shit.

    Beardy

  • Watched the game and both of those calls we're terrible. The ref should have yellow carded for time wasting far before giving an indirect free kick. I don't know if I have actually ever seen a ref make that call before. That being said, Canada did not get screwed out of the game and benefited from the poor officiating at times. Canada tried playing very physical in the box and that meant many very risky tackles. They could have legitimately been called for 2 or 3 fouls in the box that would have lead to penalties. The ref never had control of the game and chose to not blow the whistle in those instances. The fact that the Americans got a penalty was deserved even though the call itself was terrible. The better team won.

    This post was edited by msuhockeycj on 8/7/2012 at 12:15 PM

    msuhockeycj

  • Beardy said...

    I didn't watch the game, had the Canadian goalie been doing it a lot? Yeah, you can add time, but eventually you don't want to be adding a couple of minutes just because of the goalie, and since it's a tactic to win with a lead, the yellow means jack and shit.

    I didn't watch the game. I based my observations on the opinions of some higher level referees (National Level, Grade 3's and 4's) and some college officials (Big Ten and other smaller schools) that I was reading on Facebook as well as my own experiences. I watched a replay of the call and was stunned. Especially because as was stated earlier, the goalie was in the process of releasing the ball. An indirect free kick in the penalty area is a harsh punishment in soccer for something like this.

    I agree a couple minutes may be excessive, but I would still prefer it to be honest. Really, I would probably threaten to add the time second for second but wouldn't. Some time-wasting is going to happen.

    The handling call was definitely more gray, some seem to agree others do not.

    Spartanram

  • Were the Canadians complaining about "Biased officiating" during the 2010 Gold Medal Game between the U.S. and Canada in hockey?shrug

    Also, I don't seem to recall the global media being so up-in-arms when the US Men's team had that goal disallowed against Slovenia in the World Cup

    DilMeister269

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    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Vim on 8/7/2012 at 1:03 PM

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  • tig ol' bitties said...

    I've never seen a ref call holding the ball too long on a goalie and give a team a kick inside the box

    you must not have seen or played much soccer

    jwarsenal9

  • Vim said...

    It was Canada's second goal ... I was complaining about it live and thought it was strange that the commentators didn't mention anything. Noticed a few people bring it up on Twitter.

    Here's a screencap. Notice the blonde chick for Canada.

    http://i.imgur.com/VQSb3.jpg

    She's not offsides if she wasn't involved in the play

    jwarsenal9

  • Vim said...

    It was Canada's second goal ... I was complaining about it live and thought it was strange that the commentators didn't mention anything. Noticed a few people bring it up on Twitter.

    Here's a screencap. Notice the blonde chick for Canada.

    http://i.imgur.com/VQSb3.jpg

    Golly, that's a beauty of a screencap. Well done.

    SpartanInNH

  • jwarsenal9 said...

    She's not offsides if she wasn't involved in the play

    I believe she then goes on to interfere with a defender.

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  • Spartanram said...

    I didn't watch the game. I based my observations on the opinions of some higher level referees (National Level, Grade 3's and 4's) and some college officials (Big Ten and other smaller schools) that I was reading on Facebook as well as my own experiences. I watched a replay of the call and was stunned. Especially because as was stated earlier, the goalie was in the process of releasing the ball. An indirect free kick in the penalty area is a harsh punishment in soccer for something like this.

    I agree a couple minutes may be excessive, but I would still prefer it to be honest. Really, I would probably threaten to add the time second for second but wouldn't. Some time-wasting is going to happen.

    The handling call was definitely more gray, some seem to agree others do not.

    It's a rule in the referee's toolbox. Just because it isn't often (ever) used, doesn't mean it can't be used if the goalie is obviously just going to ignore you in a situation where escalating to a card won't do any good either. It's basically a nuclear option, though.

    What was the rest of the game like? Was it a bit chippy where having one player ignore the ref might make you have to give out cards in other situations to keep control?

    I certainly agree that it was late to call it in that instance, but without watching the game, and probably without being the referee, it's impossible to know what led up to making that call.

    Beardy

  • I watched the game, although I admittedly don't know a ton about soccer. Alexi Lawless? said on ESPN that it is one of the aspects of the game where there is grey area. So I tried to think about something similar in a sport that I knew better.

    The best I could come up with is a delay of game in basketball, where the scoring team hits the ball after it has gone through the basket so that they other team can't inbound immediately. If it is inadvertent, you don't say anything. After it happens again, especially after the other team complains, you give a verbal warning.

    So now, it is the Final Four and Wisconsin scores with 1:30 left to play, but hits the ball away from Hutson as he is trying to inbound to Mateen. They have already been warned and it is clearly a tactic to slow down the break. It has an impact on the game and it needs to be called a T. Decent analogy or not?

    El Doctor B

  • WBill@ said...

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/london2012/football/article/1237877--london-2012-canada-loses-4-3-to-us-in-olympic-soccer-semifinal

    "London 2012: Canadian women robbed in soccer semi: Kelly"

    "Monday’s Olympic semifinal at Old Trafford was probably the best game of women’s football ever played. Canada lost 4-3 after added extra time. The key player? Norwegian referee Christina Pedersen."

    Yeah,,,,,,,it's pretty tense around here today.........

    Supposed to head out to the park and kick a ball around later, not sure if I want to risk it......

    "No one cares what you know, until they know how much you care." Mark Dantonio

    GTASpartan87

  • Beardy said...

    It's a rule in the referee's toolbox. Just because it isn't often (ever) used, doesn't mean it can't be used if the goalie is obviously just going to ignore you in a situation where escalating to a card won't do any good either. It's basically a nuclear option, though.

    What was the rest of the game like? Was it a bit chippy where having one player ignore the ref might make you have to give out cards in other situations to keep control?

    I certainly agree that it was late to call it in that instance, but without watching the game, and probably without being the referee, it's impossible to know what led up to making that call.

    I agree with that. I would want to watch the whole game...but it is exactly what you said. It is a nuclear option. In general, she should have had enough control to not let it get to that point.

    Spartanram

  • To be fair, Canada set up the ref with their comments about the US getting away with illegal physical play, then hammering the hell out of the US all game with hardly any calls. And while I hated the call for the delay, I thought Canada got the benefit of the doubt on at least 2-3 penalties prior in the box, so that to me evened out. They were grabbing, pushing, etc all game. The one girl who's name started with "T" had a card and over 7 fouls that were called (many more that weren't) before the end of regulation, she easily could have been sent off a number of times to make it 11 on 10.

    mentalstate

  • mentalstate said...

    To be fair

    lol

    Cym Jim