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It has always amazed me how much Ohio is so much more like WV, KY and TN rather than IN, IL, MI or WI. You have a sense of "Deliverance" when you pull off the freeway there that you just don't have in other midwest states.
Apples and Oranges. it's not an obligation to keep the player on your team, and therefore at your school, but it shows what kind of person you are if you're booting kids from your team because they were injured.
Arthur Ray got Cancer TWICE while at MSU and never got to see the field because of that. Mark Dantonio honored his scholarship nd didn't force him to transfer, and I don't even think Arthur Ray was a Dantonio recruit, although I could be wrong. The fact is, by what you just said, MSU would have the right to pull your scholarship if you underperformed, but an athletic scholarship should never be pulled if you aren't performing because you are injured. In fact, it's illegal by NCAA rule. so if that's what you're comparing this to, you're dead wrong.
Fact is, this is going to happen every season at OSU because Urban Meyer doesn't care about getting these kids an education, he doesn't care about the kids themselves, he cares about winning. I guess I can't blame him, but fuck, don't try and call it something it's not. The guy will win at all costs and that's how college football has become. It sucks.
Which is probably quite helpful for getting kids who have some inkling they have peaked or they tend to dog it and should go to MSU, but will have no bearing on a kid who is top rated and thinks good, that mean's I'll be no worse then 2nd string this fall when they run those other kids off. I'm not sure it's beneficial.
I don't think the coaches need to phrase it using the negative terms you did, but yes, I think the recruits should be made aware that scholarships are given year to year. If you're going to guarantee four years, why not guarantee five years since most kids redshirt?
This post was edited by Drugs Delaney 18 months ago
Just curious, do red shirts still get a scholarship during that year or are they on their own?
"Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Northwestern and Illinois confirmed to ESPN.com that they have given out four-year scholarships to this class. Ohio State and Nebraska also confirmed on signing day that they are giving out scholarships that no longer have to be renewed annually. Purdue, Indiana and Minnesota are still awarding one-year renewable grants."
Players who signed letters of intent Wednesday at many Big Ten schools received more security in their scholarships than in years past.
Just curious how this compares to Dantonio taking Andre Anderson and Caulton Ray off the active roster in 2009 (during the season) and knowing they would transfer because of it ?
Maybe he felt like they just weren't big ten players (they weren't). Can't speak for him but that's an interesting point.
You sure that's the example you want to use? While Dantonio was a good guy for honoring Ray's scholarship as long as he did, Ray himself said that Dantonio informed him prior to the 2012 season that he should look to finish his career elsewhere. And when Dantonio was asked about it by the media, he usually dodged the questions. Look, I want what's best for these kids as much as possible; however, as Ray said in the same article, college football is a business and unfortunately you only get 85 scholarships to try to get your best team on the field.
This. In addition, it's likely that Hoover coming back for a 6th year means that he will play that 6th year on scholarship. With MSU's numbers right now, that means someone will have to be taken off scholarship for Hoover to play another year on scholarship. The staff also just took Justin Williams and Noah Jones when they were already over 85, meaning two more players will have to come off scholarship somewhere somehow. I suppose if you think there will be 4-5 transfers, then no one will have to come off scholarship.. but I don't suspect the staff will be begging them to stay when they're already at 89 or 90 on scholarship players.
This post was edited by Lunchables 18 months ago
RCMB coddling boners in full effect today. Reading comprehension aside, I see nothing wrong with dropping a kid off schollie if he can be replaced by someone better. Does it suck? Yeah, it sucks. But guess what, that's fucking life. If you can be replaced by someone at work then you will be. That's just life. Kid wasn't cut out for the B1G
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You've got the sequence of events backward. Seeing their PT dry up due to the emergence of Baker and Caper, Anderson and Ray starting looking into their transfer options during the season, which apparently is a big no-no in MD's book. But only after that did he remove them from "the active roster."
"The RCMB on 247 is one of the most awful, alarming, inappropriate, disgusting, and offensive msg boards in the history of the internet."
Exactly. This happens at every program. No one forces a kid to leave, but if you're a football player and your football scholarship gets pulled, you're probably going to leave.
That being said, I don't see where it said that Meyer pulled the scholarships, and I don't see how it makes sense to. It's not like OSU has a bunch of Offensive Lineman better than this kid coming in so they replaced him. They lost 4 OL starters, and brought in 1 OL last class, and they are bringing in 1 OL in this class. IMO the kid actually just transferred.
But an OSU, UM, or SEC team kid can't transfer without people on this board flipping out about how unethical those programs are.
That isn't what's happening.
If you got a full ride to MSU on academics and maintain your eligibility but a high school senior looks like he can post a .05 better GPA than you then they find a way to tell you to get lost, that's what's happening here.
This post was edited by Beardy 18 months ago
If its michigan of osu, because the kid is buried in the depth chart, everyone rails on the coaches as the ones who push these players out or pull their scholly.
Yet, when we have players transfer because they don't see the field, they are simply leaving to get a better shot at playing time.
I'm willing to bet that most often these players all see the writing on the wall that they stay and they wont see the field regularly. They decide to leave on their own, and that's that.
This isnt a situation where Spring Ball rolls around and Les Miles tells 3 guys they are no longer on the team because he has too many players...
The real story, is Conner Crowell, had a terrible injury in high school towards the end of his career to his ankle. OSU still honored his scholly. He has had three surgeries since to try and repair his ankle, and it has not worked. He has not been cleared to play and will take a medical hardship will actually look to stay at OSU to get his degree. Joey O'Connor tore his ACL and has not responded very easily and might miss more time. He became homesick and will be looking at Colorado Colorado State and Wyoming. No one was run off, it was a case o one who couldn't play anymore and one who wanted to go home
Why so many Connors?!? They're everywhere.
Yeah. This thread will be a solid bump when MSU has three or four transfers within a matter of two weeks following the release of the spring depth chart or when Muma/Hoebing is taken off scholarship in order to make our numbers work.
The big ten is above all the crap the SEC pulls, I wont stand for it, unless its my lil baby sweet thing o$u
I think it was in the we are 38th in recruiting thread it was mentioned that we have 17 new players for next year, but only losing 12 guys (9 graduating, 3 leaving early). That means we have 5 "roster moves" to make. This happens everywhere.
What's sad is the kids that come in after a few years of these tactics, but they think that it can't happen to them. Wrong.
Crowell will most likely receive a medical waiver. He has gone through 2 different operations on the same ankle and was not cleared to play by Ohio State's medical staff (see below). As for O'Conner, who also was injured this past year, it doesn't make much sense for Ohio State to just get rid of him unless he can't play due to injury or he wants to leave. Ohio State is very thin on the OL. O'Connor is from Colorado. Distance could be a factor.
In the end, the SEC tactics are normally to get rid of a guy who has been around for a few years and didn't cut it. Both of these kids were injured and it was only 1 year. I don't really see the same tactics here, especially with O'Connor.
edit: missed triplej3's post. So sort of a duplicate post here.
Per an Ohio State press release, Crowell will no longer be continuing his football career with the Buckeyes after by Ohio State medical staff.
This post was edited by scott91575 18 months ago
Another quick Google search...O'Connor requested a transfer due to home sickness.
Former Windsor High School football star Joey O’Connor is leaving Ohio State University to be closer to home. According to a news release from the Ohio State football
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