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And both involved that Homely Depot guy:
1. He bounced the ball off Costello's back on an in-bounds play under their basket for an easy flush. We've been victimized by that same thing several times over the years, and if we've seen it, so have the Indy coaches.
2. His breakaway on another in-bounds with 10 seconds to go with no one playing deep safety for us. Illinois burned Indy in a similar situation and the Indy coaches were ready to take advantage if this same scenario would come up.
Unfortunately, our coaches had nothing to keep either of these plays from happening.
I read the news today, oh boy .. ..
About a lucky man who made the grade
I assume you're going to copy and paste that into an email to Izzo, right?
#2 reminded me of the wheel route. Gets us every time.
You going to review the tape and let us know the plays MSU "outcoached" IU? You're wrong on the play at the end, too. Harris and Appling both said after the game that the players miscommunicated on a switch and that's why Oladipo got behind everyone.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
Oladipo is a great player, I have never seen a player play defense like him. I swear sometimes there is 2 Oladipo's on the court at once, the guy is everywhere. He killed us in both matchups with his 12 steals in 2 games against us.
So Crean drew up the off the back play right? He knew Costello wasn't going to blade his body like he did on the other 4-5 inbounds plays he was in on. Crean knew it all along and told Oladipo. Or the kid made a solid spur of the moment play. Great observation by you.
That dunk was the second best thing that could have happened in that situation. Dude should have run around and tried to get fouled instead he scores a quick bucket and they go up one possession.
Best obviously being an extremely quick foul and two missed FTs.
#1 Happens multiple times a year and Costello is young
Behold the walls of Sparta: 10000 men and every one a brick.
It's like that episode of the Looney Tunes where Bugs Bunny plays every position on the baseball field. Oladipo is incredible. Branden Dawson's athleticism, Kalin Lucas's speed, and Travis Walton's defensive positioning all rolled into one fucking player. Unbelievable.
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I blame ESPN and the NBA scouts for not hyping him enough last year. If those F'ers do their job, Victor is in the NBA this year.
The indoctrinated will no longer be able to deny it, only defend it.
Vic your point about number 2 is bull. MSU tried everything in its power to prevent Hulls from receiving the inbounds. You don't worry about what ifs at that point, like what if IU gambles and throws the deep pass. You are in a desperate situation and have to sell out.
Good God you are an idiot.
1) Oladipo did that one on his own. It wasn't a called play by a coach.
2) from that inbounds position someone will invariably break deep. Our guys did what they did way too often last night on D. Failed to communicate.
Posting member of tRCMB since 1997.
It is ALWAYS a great day to be a Spartan!!!!
Ok, so now what?
This. Great analysis OP. you picked two plays that had zero to do with coaching to try and show Creans "out coaching". Great thread and point.
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We lost to a team with better talent, Oladipo is the real deal. I think our coaching kept us pretty close in a game where we could of easily been blown out.
Credit Tom Izzo you punk, stop ripping the man after losing to the #1 team in the nation.
There aren't many things funnier than people who haven't coached at a high level spouting wise about someone being "outcoached". How the hell would you know? MSU lost the game. "Outcoached"? Yeah, he lost.
Op makes ridiculous 'coaching' points but I disagree with this.
That play (dunk or run around wasting time) depends on the situation. In that situation:
with what 12 seconds to go?
and you are in the one and one if you are IU...
(If I remember the situation correctly)
...Take the dunk. Essentially the other team is going to get one more possession with 'plenty' of time on the clock either way dunk or if you run around. Maybe if there was 4 or 5 seconds left you run around ala bob Cousy and tried not to get fouled. Take the points and dont take risk missing the front end the one and one (*ducks from appling haters*)
So, Fire Izzo?
Scrap the program...
I wholeheartedly disagree with the OP regarding those being coaching mistakes but did find a couple of decisions to be odd:
1. Not guarding the ball once IU was forced to inbound from the corner. That area of the court is by far the hardest area to inbound from and having Payne guard the ball and trying to force a turnover seems like a better play at that point than going all out to stop Hulls from getting the ball. I would have rather seen Hulls on the line than Oladipo anyway.
2. It seemed like subbing Dawson in instead of Nix before the intentional miss would have been a better play when trying to get a tip in or offensive board.
Now I'm sure Izzo has great reasons for doing what he did (like Dawson being a space cadet for most of the game) and in no way am I proclaiming to know even 1/1000 of what Izzo does about coaching, but those decisions puzzled me a little.
OK, then how these things happen? Shouldn't someone remind Costello not to turn his back to the throw in? It's been a play pulled off against our team many times and each time it has been brought up by tRCMB and maybe even by you. As a coach, wouldn't you be particularly on top of this situation?
On the other play, if you were the coach, would you have someone back to guard the basket? Having all 5 guys in the back court "playing defense" served no purpose and we were burned.
Both of these plays involve coaching by someone in the huddle beforehand and how did that work out? Our coaches (not necessarily Izzo) were out coached on these plays. No other way to explain it.
Wow, IU bounced a ball off Costello's but. Crean for national coach of the year? Please fing give us all a break.
Having all five guys in the frontcourt had a purpose. That's where all the IU guys were and we were trying to keep the ball away from Hulls. Harris and Appling both said they were told to switch every screen. They didn't switch the screen, which is how Oladipo got deep. What the hell is Izzo supposed to do? Run out there and do it for them?
That's not poor coaching on our part, that's incredibly poor defensive execution. Big difference.
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Fire Izzo, Vegas Vic with some more brillance!!
YES!!!!! BURN HIM AT THIS STAKE DAMMIT.!!! VEGAS TWIT GETS TO LIGHT THE MATCH!!!!!!
"no one playing deep"........
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