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Give me one specific other time that this has ever happened to us. I certainly can't think of one, and I know that you can't do it.
We lost to a better team last night, stop being an idiot. Izzo is still a better coach than Crean.
This post was edited by Punisher99 17 months ago
1. I'm sure Izzo and the staff have worked with Costello. But he's a freshman and Oladipo made a play that most high schoolers don't have the smarts or athletic ability to pull off. He needed to side front a little more, but I bet it doesn't happen to him again.
2. Absolutely not. Sell out to go for the steal, and have all five guys there in case of an inbound and quick pass back to the inbounder. We did a poor job fighting through Indiana's screens on that play.
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I would say that Crean's 2 best coaching moves were putting Oladipo on Appling(especially on out of bounds plays) and continuing to run multiple curl sets for his shooters.
He noticed that our guys were struggling communicating on the defensive side of ball and getting lost on switches when they were running curls and he exploited it. Unfortunately, a team with 4/5 real good shooters, mixed with our inability to switch properly killed us. Good coaching by him.
I think the 2 points brought up by the OP are shitty.
Izzo was able to keep us in the game even when Appling was playing poorly and Dawson was non-existent. Good coaching by Izzo in the 2nd half to keep Dawson on the bench in favor of Valentine. Hopefully Dawson takes it as a learning moment and brings his 'A' game the rest of the season.
I can't think of any specific time but Naymick and Ballinger in particular were multiple time victims on that type of play. Has not happened as often recently. Those two, for some reason, were susceptible to that play and were burned more than once.
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I'll ask again - what now? You've identified that Izzo was out coached. Is this thread some sort of teachable moment for him? I'm confused as to what has been accomplished here. Or is it just more of a "Look at me - I have the balls to anonymously call out our coach" thing? Serious question.
Seems like its more of a race thing than a coaching thing. Stupid whities.
Why does everyone keep excusing the loss because it came to the currently top ranked team and we didn't get blown out? Not just singling you out, I've read it quite a lot on the board. MSU was favored to win, they're the number 5 team in the nation and are playing at home. Everybody here expected them to win. Sorry, but the "hey we didn't get blown out" excuse is lame. MSU up 3, shooting 2 FT's with less than 3 minutes to go is a straight up choke job
We needed a steal, moran. You're not going to have a center fielder serving no purpose on that play. You go big or go home at that point.
To answer your question, no I would not have a guy back. And neither would any other coach trying to win a basketball game.
Edit: Is this a bad joke, by the way? Did you pick two plays that have nothing to do with coaching to make a point about coaching on purpose?
This post was edited by Denim Chicken 17 months ago
I can't speak too much as far as being outcoached within the game, but they were farrr more prepared than we were.
It also happened to Raymar Morgan. I don't have a specific game, but I do remember him being the victim one time.
We've also been successful with the same thing a few times over the years.
Did not think it was possible but you know even less about basketball than you do baseball.
Actually his first point could definitely have been coaching. If IU coaches saw that most of the time Costello has his backed turned to the inbounder on those plays, it would have been very easy in practice for IU to tell whoever the inbounder is to look for that. None of us would have any way of knowing if IU scouted that out or not.
Those aren't bring outcoached Moran. Bad thread
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I mentioned it in the thread making fun of this one, not realizing this one actually existed, that I think Crean did a good job messing with our dribble handoff defense. There were a couple instances where Zeller floated out to the perimeter, and we switched like he was a guard. So we ended up with something like Harris on Zeller and Nix on Oladipo (I don't remember exactly). I do remember that one time it led to a wide open 3 because of some confusion. I don't think MSU got outcoached, but I think that was a nice wrinkle from Crean.
Fair enough, but I think it's more likely that it was a great player making a great play. At this point, college players have seen a lot and know how to react in certain situations, like when a guy has his back facing the ball on an inbound.
Yep. Zeller came out a few times on their version of the weave to set a pick and it definitely messed up our switches.
You know there are mistakes when Appling ends up on Watford down low or Nix ended up guarding Oladipo on the perimeter(like you mentioned). Some very good wrinkles threw in by Crean.
Probably not specifically Costello(hasn't logged a ton of minutes), but our bigs in general. It "seems" like that play happens to us more than the average team, but then again I don't watch every single NCAA game.
I don't need anecdotal evidence that you "kind of remember".
Stop making shit up to try and argue with me over nothing. This kind of play happens in basketball from time to time its not a coaching issue and that is my point. Thanks for ignoring it
You stated this:
"Give me one specific other time that this has ever happened to us. I certainly can't think of one, and I know that you can't do it."
I (along with another poster) gave you examples of it happening, like you asked for. How is that an arguement? And how is that making shit up? Unless you think I'm going to be able to remember what game, when in the game, and who threw it off him.
Yes it happens from time to time, both to us and by us. And yes it could be coaching if it was scouted out by IU prior to our game. None of us would have any idea if they did or not.
Give me a specific example of it besides "Well it happened to Raymar once. Ballinger too. I saw it"
Revisionist history is very shoddy. Sorry I don't really care if you think you remember it.
Again, my point was that it is an extreme reach to view that as a common thing that happens to MSU and that it is a coaching issue. Continue to ignore that all you want, I'm not doing your obnoxious little game back and forth all day
Izzo was furious at Fife...Fife was visibly upset by being chewed out by Izzo.
Damn...I've never seen that before.
Honestly every time MSU loses people say that Izzo still "outcoached" the other team. It's getting really old.
Yes, Izzo is one of the best IF NOT THE BEST coach in college basketball.
That does not mean that he in incapable of being outcoached in a single game. He's been outcoached before and will be again. Crean has outcoached him twice this season, but that doesn't make Crean the better coach.
The reason he is a good coach is because he bounces back from something like this gets his team ready for March.
The whole "Izzo still outcoached the opponent even though we lost" argument is = "we just didn't play Michigan football today."
MSU fans are better than that. Izzo is awesome. But he's not God. Every once in a while, like last night, another coach will get the better of him and beat him.
Great play, yes. Your second point reinforces my issue: our coaches are obligated to remind the guys not to "have his back facing the ball on an inbound". Players are pumped up and it's up to one of the coaches to get that reminder out there.
In fact, that particular play was attempted in the Michigan game by Dawson. When he tossed the ball off the Michigan player, Dawson jumped in to retrieve it and immediately fumbled the ball away.
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Short response: you're stupid.
Horrible post all around. The entire thread's premise is that Izzo was outcoached. There's plenty of people who think he was outcoached last night what exactly are you reading??
Don't come on here and compare us to UM either, Urban boy.
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