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I think it's possible Izzo got outcoached last night, but not in the first meeting. I think he had his team ready to play in a hostile environment and going up against extremely biased officiating. MSU got a fair shake with the refs last night. I think it's a fair assessment to say Crean learned more from their first meeting than Izzo did
Careful now. Please don't suggest that or anyone on his staff made any bad decisions last night. It's against tRCMB policy.
(But +1 for trying)
I read the news today, oh boy .. ..
About a lucky man who made the grade
What if everyone agreed with you that Izzo was out coached on these two plays? What next? What's the purpose of the thread?
Coaches make literally hundreds of decisions per game, so some of them don't work. It is funny to see people who have never coached make the judgments via their TV with zero frame of reference, though.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
Sez the guy with more purposeless threads than purposeful ones. Nice try.
OOOOOO what a comeback!
At least he doesn't pretend to know more about basketball than Izzo like you
You're assuming I have never coached.
But you're the expert on all sports at all levels, so I will forevermore defer to you.
But not as stupid as a guy who would have a player guarding no one, down one with roughly 10 seconds to go. Now that would be stupid. Another poster suggested having a guy like Payne on the ball. That, unlike your strategy, would have been logical. Probably what I would have done.
None of us know anything. Not in comparison to coaches who work 18 hour days. We watch the games a couple hours at a time and then spew our nonsense in celebration or frustration. Any fan who thinks they actually know better than successful coaches at the highest level is an idiot.
Nice diversion, but you still haven't answered the question.
What is the purpose of the thread? If Izzo indeed got out coached...now what?
He is Dwayne Wade 2.0
I can't believe this thread is only at -6 downvotes. You can just read the title and know that it's a bullshit thread. Tom Izzo getting outcoached by anybody is obsurd.
Assuming you continue to ignore this question, I can only surmise that the intent of the thread was solely to present an opinion you knew would be inflammatory - AKA "trolling." I guess in that sense it was successful. Congrats.
Why do you keep putting things in quotes that I didn't say?
Where have I argued for or against your point? You asked for examples of this kind of play happening to MSU. Some posters have said that they remember it happening and I also remember it happening. Never did I say anything more than that except that MSU has used that play also.
I have no idea why you feel the need to try and start an argument with me when I only replied to your post with what you were asking about.
His #1 point is spot on. It has nothing to do with Costello. Every single msu player does it on inbounds plays. I've noticed it many times and have seen it happen a handful of times. I do not understand why Izzo continues to coach it that way.
There are a few people on this very thread that believe Izzo didn't get out coached. And the title of the thread insinuates that other than these two instances, Izzo outcoached Crean.
Horrible comment about a relevant post..
^^^ Example 1A
Lot of coaches utilize this approach because that player is in position to call out all backscreens because he can see everyone. Not sure that is Izzo's reason or not. That is why many coaches do it. It's up to the on ball defender to also check back and see where the ball is. It's harder than it looks.
It has definitely happened on several occasions over the years to MSU players - I'm not sure who would argue otherwise. If I were to hazard a guess, I would say it averages out to maybe once a season.
That being said, I seriously doubt it has happened to MSU at a higher rate than it has to other teams. We all seem to forget we are hyper sensitive about every detail of MSU games while we just casually watch other teams. Sort of like the prevailing wisdom that three point shooters go off on MSU at an unreasonable freaky rate, even though the stats don't back that up.
That being said, the OP's assessment of this being a sign of poor coaching is obviously ridiculous. Any coach will risk this play happening once per season in exchange for otherwise properly guarding cutting players and screens that could lead to dunks or layups on inbound plays. Additionally, I'm confident that coaches do not encourage the attempt of this play - much less actually work it into a game plan as the OP seems to imply - because of the high risk factor of a bad bounce (see Dawson trying it recently). And even if the bounce works, the player is often still stuck underneath the basket in a tough spot.
I asked for real examples. Tell me the game that it happened in and the situation. Not when you think you remember it happening. That's crap.
Not sure what's so difficult about it, but again, I'm not doing your annoying little game. Not to mention the fact that its highly unlikely that it happens to MSU players more than it does other teams.
Again, I'm not debating you and dealing with your passive-aggressive garbage all day. I'm sure you'll respond to this like you do every other time I post.
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The title of the thread does nothing of the sort, where in the hell do you draw that conclusion from?
Who are the specific people?
You're the one who started this argument. You asked for examples when this has happened and I replied back as did a few others. No one was arguing with you about it, we were just giving you an instance of it happening. Seems like quite a few on here know that it has happened to MSU players and because you don't remember it, you attack. Always.
I highly doubt that anyone could give you an exact game when it happened.
If you don't want me to reply back, why do you keep replying to me?
You really need some kind of mental help. I'm guessing bi-polar.
I wouldn't get worked up about it. Punisher just talks shit all day to make himself feel big.
I can imagine him asking someone for the time, them giving him the time and then Punisher getting all pissed off about it.
I underrstand that. But inbounds plays have literally become, "set a couple screens then run across half court and throw it deep". I don't understand giving a team an easy chance like that when very few actually execute off the inbounds.
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