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Can't blame Staten yet. Both in 2011 and 2012 we've dealt with an incredibly bad luck rash of injuries early in the year. That kind of wrecks continuity. Near the end of both years the OL was considerably better.
Just having fun. He's going to get a look at RB (reportedly up to 225) but I think he's more of a STAR LB. Now watch him win Big 10 FR OPOY honors after rushing for 980 yard, 5.7 YPC and 12 TDs.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
I would argue that QB is not the most important position. A good QB can't do anything with a bad offensive line. And a good offensive line can make an average QB much better.
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.
But offensive line isn't a position, it's 5 guys. You can hide a mediocre, or even poor player on a line with 4 other good players and the line as a group can still be good. You can't hide a poor player at QB, unless you don't want any kind of passing game.
Without a good C or LT, your team probably isn't very good. You can have Joe Montana out there, but if he has no time to throw, there's no point
The most important fact with a truly successful dual-threat quarterback (and one that is just ok), is that they MUST be able to throw the ball effectively, with accuracy, and do it on at least 80% of their throws. Essentially, you must be a quarterback first, and a running threat second. The pros you list there all have the ability to play quarterback, throw and then run. Of the B1G QBs you list, only 2 of the 5 are decent throwers (Miller and Colter), the others all struggle with that.
Not making a statement one way or the other about Terry's ability to be that type of quarterback (not seen enough film, and still hasn't played in college), but if he is able to be a true DUAL threat QB, he will make our offense good for the next 4 years.
I've grown fond of this board I think I will stay.
I enjoy reading others fans perspectives on things.
There isn't a single position more important in all of sports outside of pitcher maybe than QB. Yeah, if you have a garbage LT passing will be tough, but you can also put a TE next to him and then chip with a RB. As a group, the O line is huge and seemingly drastically overlooked by the vast majority of fans, but one single position within in it isn't even close to as important as the QB.
OK. We disagree.
On my team I'll draft a LT and a C before a QB. Would probably take a DTs first as well. Football is about controlling the line of scrimmage.
We did it with Cousins. There wasn't much difference in the line from 2011 to 2012 (except for Foreman) there but we had great blocking from the TE, FB, and RB positions.
I am as excited about Terry as anybody else here, but have been wondering about this as well. From everything I have read and looking at the passing numbers he put up this past season, he appears to be everything we could want in a passer, and he's obviously got great size which would serve him well for seeing the field and absorbing hits if he takes off down field, but is he really much of a runner? Is he really any faster than the guys already on the roster?
We should have pretty good depth at OL with Riley Norman and Caleb Benenoch coming in.
Win the trenches.
So Bama has won three of four because of their first round QB talent?
No, have they won any of those because any one singe O lineman?
You can make the argument that in college ball the offensive line as a group is just as important as a QB, maybe more important even,but you're never going to convince me that any one single player on an O line is more important than QB.
one "could" argue they won "despite" trent dilfer
also, the NFL has CLEARLY become a QB driven league. you don't have a "franchise" QB, you're F'd.
(i know, i know, baltimore upset new england/tom brady and now you have joe flacco, but thats more of the exception, not the rule)
Not trying to convince you of that.
Not true. SF changed QBs mid-season and Baltimore has Flacco....(who is not an elite QB). Meanwhile the Lions draft a Franchise QB #1 and because their line sucks, it doesn't matter.
oh, but i would argue that capernick CLEARLY has the ability/future to become
a "franchise QB"
also, just because you "DRAFT" a franchise QB #1, does not mean he actually becomes one.
google ryan leaf (most recent activity) for a good chuckle, so to speak
living in chicago, you constantly hear/read about pro personnel evaluating whether jay cutler is a "franchise" QB. simple question. does he have the ability to lead to/win you a superbowl? difficult to answer. if the answer is no, however, you cut bait, and "start over".
c,mon, man: tom brady, eli and peyton manning, aaron rogers, ben rothlisberger, drew brees, even kurt warner.
further back, elway, favre, s. young, aikman, jim kelly, montana
I don't think anyone is arguing that QBs aren't critical in the NFL. They're important in college football too, but IMHO not as critical as line play is. Bama is the best example of simply dominating the line of scrimmage and winning over and over again without a star standout QB throwing for 350 and running for 150.
i don't mind the banter with a "troll":
"hypothetical" shane morris is a "95" last summer. damion terry's a "90".
now the games are played for REAL, their senior season, and i've seen in places where morris has been downgraded and terry has been upgraded.
again, "hypothetical", morris is now a "90" and terry is a "95".
although my "hypothetical" numbers are stretched a bit, its really not that far off from what really happened.
michigan still has a top 5 ranked class, and MSU still is in the 30's.
which, back to my original post, is why i'm PUMPED about this class.
* rememeber one other sentence i stated, also: WITHOUT damion terry and delton williams, i'd be looking for a nearby ledge to walk out on............
the rest of the class is solid, but the actual scholarships available is thin.
You are oversimplifying things here to try and prove your point, and using terrible examples.
San Fran changed QBs and upgraded big time, Kaepernick has been great; tore up GB and brought them back from a big deficit against the Flacons. Also, if you have watched the playoffs at all, Flacco has been great too. It has been discussed that Flacco is a big reason they're in the Super Bowl and he has truly been flawless this playoff season. What else do these two teams have in common...a great defense.
Also, the Lions offensive line was excellent in pass protection; they were ranked the best in the league when factoring in the # of sacks allowed against number of pass attempts. Stafford was not as good/accurate as last year and that was more of a factor than the line.
I am not saying the o-line isn't important, but I agree a QB is more important and essential to winning. You can get away with an average line, and rarely an average QB. In those circumstances teams get away with an average QB it's usually because of an elite defense (Baltimore w/Dilfer, Bama teams of the last 4 years). Give the Lions an elite defense and I'm guessing they would have been VERY competitive.
100 % agree about alabama; line up and we're gonna kick the shit out of you.
(remember, who beat them, though, kid by the name of jonny manziel)
curious, though, give 3-5 more examples of upper echelon programs that do this year in and year out.
also, back to my original post, notice i use the word TRENDING. for this, there can be no doubt relative to 10-15-20 years ago.
I can't wait for the week 1 "WHY ISN'T TERRY STARTING?!?!?!?!?!" thread.
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
LSU comes to mind if you want another.
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