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So, Hagerup is a "different" person after 2 suspensions and now on to suspension 3. Should he continue to be on the team, because it is obvious that he is a different person after 3 tries?
There's a time and a place for everything and it's called college.
Let's be clear. Sims was suspended before the court rendered their decision. He was not suspended because of the court's decision. Did he take a redshirt? Yes, but unlike a normal player redshirting, he did not practice with the team nor did he partake in winter conditioning, spring ball or other team activities. Why is this significant? Because most kids use their redshirt year to work on their game, which Sims was not able to do. His development was stunted due to the year off from training. Why did Dantonio wait? Because he wanted to make sure the young man understood that there can be long-term consequences to his actions. If he had not completed his probationary period with the courts and the team without incident, he would not have been allowed back - of which even the Judge stated he would speak with Dantonio on Sims' behalf if necessary.
Conversely, Clark was allowed to practice and play before his case had made it's way through the court system. Even though he was convicted of a felony, he was allowed to play afterwards with no further action being taken. Why? Because Hoax saw what he had returning on the Dline and knew he needed him.
Both young men made stupid mistakes. One had his potential future taken away unless he proved that he deserved a chance to realize that potential. The other was given a time-out in the corner with a pillow and his favorite blankey.
Leaders & Best, my ass.
This post was edited by Cement23588 19 months ago
Remember when Stonum was "suspended" for the year and took a redshirt, except unlike sims, he was practicing with the team, traveling with the team, and partied with them down in NOLA during the sugar bowl.
Bump Set Spike
I remember all the UM slappies defending it saying "He is suspended for the year! How is that not a significant punishment?"
Because he is not "suspended." He is being redshirted. He literally would have lost nothing in the way of games played over his career and in fact, would have been a huge help to UM this year, or next year? Whenever he would come back.
It was a sly move by Hoke to "punish" Stonum and later get a huge boost to the wideouts group. Only UM fans refused to acknowledge it for what it was. The only thing was was that Stonum was such a ridiculous fuck-up that even Hoke eventually had to boot him.
Hoke even admitted that he wasn't suspended, without knowing it.
On whether Touissant and Frank Clark were suspended during fall camp:
"They've been practicing. If you're suspended I don't let you practice. They've been practicing"
Cliff notes on what happened so I don't have to read through this?
Ah, how could i have missed that? thank you
Kids were wearing ski masks and well, you know the rest.
Hoke isn't saying, other than to say "violation of team rules".
JT Floyd is a senior CB that is suspended for the bowl game.
Hawthorn (?) is a backup LB that is suspended for the bowl game.
Hagerup is their junior punter (Punter of the year in B1G awards) and is suspended for the bowl game. This is his third suspension, but since he's good, he'll surely be given another chance. Everyone deserves a 4th chance.
Laughably, Hoke said that "This is Michigan. It's a privilege to play here. We have a higher standard..." all the while he's showing just how low his standards really are. Most notably, his felon DE Frank Clark will be playing in the bowl, as he has all season.
No, he should have been kicked off the team after suspension 2. And from what I've heard, he won't be on the team to try for #4
How convenient that you had a starting TE so Sims could redshirt.
And if Dantonio cared so much about teaching a lesson, why did Winston get out of jail and head straight to practice? Was it because MSU had very little running back depth? No, I'm sure reinstating him the day he got out of jail was all because he learned his lesson.
Every situation is different. In every single case, no one knows what happened or what the coach was thinking, so to state one coach to be slimy and another saintly is ridiculous. Could Clark have sat out more games, either right away or after his hearing? Of course. Could Winston have sat out maybe 1 day after getting out of jail? Of course. I guess we all know what to do...we should be coaches
This post was edited by ScroogeMcDuck 19 months ago
You do know this shit with Winston happened more than three years ago now, right?
Since Hoke has been at UM: 10-0 in arrests compared to MD. Keep blowing smoke out your ass
This post was edited by Punisher99 19 months ago
Has Frank Clark finally been sentenced? I find it interesting that he pled to a felony. Someone wouldn't normally do that, but I have a feeling he might have missed games if he tried to fight it. The way his situation has been handled is shameful. Listen, the lawyer he has is not a regular lawyer that students get, he's a lawyer for the team's players and he's a big Michigan Booster, he may not answer directly to the coaches, but they definitely have influence over him. If this lawyer convinced Frank Clark to take the felony which will follow him for the rest of his life just so Michigan could have more depth on the D line, that is sickening. Furthermore, the lawyer pretty much knows what the sentence will be already, he's talked to the prosecutor and has a good idea. They've been pushing this and pushing this out simply so Frank Clark can continue to play. Frank Clark faces some jail time once they finally sentence him.
Dantonio made a mistake in his judgement of Winston's character, that is for sure. Hoke is not making a mistake, he is showing that he is a slime ball. He played a convicted felon all season, no other team in the B1G did that and I can't think of any team in the whole country who did that, and this isn't something from a few years ago, it happened a few months before the season, so it's not something from the past, it's an on going thing. If like I think, Hoke and company manipulated Frank Clark into taking a bad deal just so he could continue to help the team, he is lower than any coach in college football today.
Michigan fans be wary, Hoke is showing his lack of character, this will ultimately end in embarrassment for Michigan Football. Too many arrests in less than 2 years, too many guys let off the hook, and a convicted felon allowed to play all season before even being sentenced. It's a pattern that leads to ruin.
The Michigan football team has a lawyer?
Yes, I'm sure the Spartan Football team does too.
He was sentenced awhile ago, its hard to believe he was coerced into accepting a bad deal seeing as if he does short of a year of probation his felony will be completely wiped from his record and faces no jail time, not "follow him for the rest of his life."
I guess that's possible, but would seem to be skirting some impermissible benefit issues. Are student athletes paying for these services?
All MSU students get free legal services just for attending school here. Players get the same services, but I would bet a much better and more experienced lawyer.
It's not free. You pay for it with your ASMSU dues. I requested my ASMSU money back a couple of times when I was at State because I thought ASMSU was pretty much useless.
I've heard...cough, cough...that MSU students get "free" legal services. I mean...ummm...because, I have no direct knowledge of that.
Anyway...I doubt there is a special lawyer just for the football team.
This post was edited by NigelUno 19 months ago
Winston missed 4 games, the bowl game, winter conditioning and spring football for a misdemeanor - albeit a pretty serious one. He was not allowed to return to the team until after his case made it through the courts.
Clark missed one game (no practice) for a felony. He was allowed to play while his case worked it's way through the court.
What was Dantonio to do? The kid had completed his team-sanctioned punishment before he resolved the situation in the courts. Was Dantonio supposed to punish him twice for the same incident?
Glenn, here's the list of what you have to do before we'll welcome you back.
Oh, you did everything we asked? Good, but if you really really want to play for us, you have to complete this new list.
Do that, and good luck the next time you have to discipline a kid.
That's the best part of the "straight from jail" BS. Glenn sat 4 games and missed a shit ton of time. And of course, win at all costs Dantonio was did all that for a mega stud with 3 career carries to his name.
Felon Clark sat 1 game in which they were going to get smoked anyway, and zero practice (just like Marlin Jackson did for his during his felony assault proceedings).
The fucking mental gymnastics required to suspend disbelief re: Hoke and M "high standards" is mind boggling.
I guess lemmings gonna lemming.
I suppose you can make that 11-0, with the ESPN story of Denard driving on "a suspended or revoke" license, skipping his court date, getting a bench warrant issued, then finally pleading guilty.
Why show up for court, if you get 1 game and miss no practice for a Class C felony?
This post was edited by Larry Kazamias 19 months ago
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