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Stole this idea from another board. List your 5 most overrated and underrated Big Ten players along with your 5 guys who deserve all the hype they get.
5 Overrated (in no particular order)
Brandon Paul - Doesn't strike me as a great leader. Falls in love with the 3. Disappears for long stretches.
Tim Hardaway Jr. - Relies too much on the 3 and too much on Burke to make things happen for him.
Rodney Williams - Great athlete, just hasn't put it all together. Not a great all-around player.
Aaron Craft - Great defender, big liability on offense. Tries to take games over offensively at the end when he should be feeding the ball to Thomas.
Glenn Robinson III - Turtles in big games especially on the road, yet everyone talks about him like he's a first rounder right now. He's not even the best freshman on his own team let alone the Big Ten.
Christian Watford - Unsung hero on a team full of studs.
Derrick Nix - I feel like Payne gets most of the attention of our bigs, but Nix is the guy who does most of the damage in the paint. He's also tremendous at kicking the ball out and finding the open shooter. Very underrated passer.
Aaron White - Very talented offensively and seems to be a very confident kid.
LaQuinton Ross - Thomas gets all the pub, but Ross is a solid player who is getting better and better.
AJ Hammons - One of the better bigs in the Big Ten and he's only a freshman.
5 Guys Worthy of the Hype
Trey Burke - Best offensive point guard in the nation.
Keith Appling - Not sure there's a guard right now in the Big Ten (and perhaps the nation) with better all-around game when you're talking offense, defense, leadership and clutch play. I wouldn't trade Appling for anybody else.
Victor Oladipo - Flat out one of the best athletes I've seen in a long time, but he's more than just an athlete, he's a very good basketball player and his motor NEVER stops running. When he developed a jump shoot he went from good to great.
Deshaun Thomas - Yeah, his defense sucks, but that's because he has to expend so much energy on offense keeping OSU in games. Without him, OSU is probably not even a top 25 team.
Gary Harris - Finally starting to come on the scene nationally, being named one of the top freshmen in the nation by multiple people. Scary to think what he's doing right now while not at full strength. Plays big in big games which is rare for a freshman (sup GRIII?).
This post was edited by JEK 14 months ago
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I really can't even argue with your list. Not sure if I'm lazy or if you are spot on. Either way, +1.
"If you're worried about Wolverine fans, just move to Pasadena. You'll never have to deal with 'em."
Totally agreed about Ross. I really like Andre Hollins, he has improved so much this year.
Also, Berg is shooting 27% from three this year for Wisconsin. What happened to him? Did Jordan Taylor really make him that much better?
IMO Zeller is Overrated. That guy is soft.
These kinds of lists are always a lot of fun. The only thing I'd change is the placement of Craft in the over-rated category. The kid is a real gamer plus and his defense is every bit worthy of the moniker "outstanding". His motor is in high gear all game and everyone knows, including himself, that he's not an offensive jugernaught, although he was pretty darn effective last year. I think his end of game, trying to take over the offense, is not too unlike recent games were Appling has taken in upon himself to will the team to victory. In tight games everyone playing OSU knows that Thomas is the big dawg they'll want to go to and double him of give him extra attention. Craft taking some of the offense then is a way to cross up the defensive strategy.
In the under-rated I'd not put Watford there because frankly in a lot of IU games he disappears like Paul for Illinois, just not as often. He's a great talent that never seems to exert his will that way. He's everybit the offensive player Thomas at OSU is but has just never forced himself to live up to what he could do and dominate that way.
I view him as a Pau Gasol type in the NBA. Really runs the floor well, good passer and can knock down the jump shot.
Let's be honest, how many "real" post guys are in the NBA? Howard? Al Jefferson? Z-Bo? Duncan?
Sorry, back on topic, Zeller's game against O$U begged to differ. He played like a man.
I kinda wanted to put Zeller, but it's tough to call a guy overrated when he's averaging 16.5 points and 8 rebounds per game. His field goal % is also higher than both Nix and Payne and he takes more shots than those guys, so he's very efficient. He can run the floor like a wing and he makes IU's high/low game so dangerous. I agree he's a little soft, but you can't argue with the production.
First name I thought of.
Craft is absolute garbage on offense this year. He can't shoot and is completely incapable of going left. His defense is very good, but definitely aided by his reputation as he gets away with a lot of hacks.
Well, except for the whole making-the-shot part of driving with 5 seconds left to play. Semantics, really.
Except Appling is our go-to guy in those clutch scoring situations. Craft is not, and he has to realize that.
Re: Watford. Yeah, I've heard the knock on him that he disappears at times. I don't know if that's the case or if IU just has so many scorers that not everybody can be "on" all the time. I've just seen the guy break the backs of so many teams. IU will be up by 6 or 7 and then he starts raining threes, and next thing you know IU is up by 15 and the game is all but over. Zeller and Oladipo get all the pub on that team but Watford is a quiet assassin.
Imagine if Craft had Neitzel's offensive game/jump shooting to go along with his defense. He'd be an amazing player.
over - Glenn Robinson - can bring it against CMU and other low/mid majors, but thats about it.
under - Dre Hollins - kid can score
1. Jared Berggren
2. Aaron White
3. Keith Appling
4. AJ Hammonds
5. Andre Hollins
1. Tim Frazier
2. Brandon Paul
3. Jordan Hulls
4. Aaron Craft
5. Devyn Marble
1. Victor Oladipo
2. Trey Burke
3. DeShaun Thomas
4. Cody Zeller
5. Gary Harris
Against the top 4 B1G teams (Ind, OSU, MSU, Wisc), he's averaging 5.2 pts/g.
Against everyone else in the B1G he's averaging 12.8 pts/g.
For comparison, Gary Harris is averaging 13 pts/g against the top 4 and 13.5 pts/g against everyone else.
Gary brings it night in and night out with a bad back regardless of the opponent.
1) Zeller (not his fault - preseason POTY was too optimistic)
2) Paul (chucker)
3) Mbakwe (no post moves, can't shoot. purely a rebounder)
4) DJ Byrd (he's terrible)
5) Yogi Ferrell (comparisons to Isiah Thomas are embarrassing)
3) Aaron White
4) AJ Hammonds
Worthy of Hype:
1) Burke (should run away with BTPOTY award)
2) Gary Harris (many thought he would be FOTY in the B1G and that looks right)
3) Craft (I know that a lot would disagree, but he is so good defensively and has become more consistent with his shot)
4) Tim Hardaway (others would disagree, especially after MSU game, but before that he was dominant and carried them against tOSU and was clutch at Wiscy)
5) Deshaun Thomas
Tim Frazier? He hasn't played a game all season because of a ruptured Achilles, but he is far and away the best player on that team. I have a hard time with that one.
Yeah, if Frazier and Drew Crawford were healthy, I'd probably put them on my underrated list.
Side note, I'm surprised anybody would consider Appling underrated. I think he gets a lot of love from the media. The only reason he's not widely considered the best PG in the Big Ten is because of a guy named Trey Burke, who is deserving of all the hype he gets.
Overrated: Michigan's 5 starters
Underrated: MSU's top 5 bench players
Worthy of Hype: MSU's starting 5
Posting this without reading the rest:
Ryan Evans (by himself and Count Bo)
Every Michigan Starter but Burke, (they are decent to good, but they Nov-January hype that they are NBA 1st round picks or the "best shooters in the county" were ridiculous)
This post was edited by WBill19542 14 months ago
Yes, Tim Frazier. He is a very good player, don't get me wrong. But he is overrated is the sense that he was First Team All-Big Ten (media) last year. He isn't--and wasn't--one of the 5 best players in the league.
As you said, he is the best--only--player on their team. Sure, he scores most of his teams points, but he also shoots 15+ times per game. And he isn't an efficient scorer; it is all pure volume. His assist numbers are also a function of him being the teams only real scoring option and always having the ball in his hands. That isn't his fault, but it certainly affects his numbers.
He also lacks the size and physicality to dominate his position on the defensive end.
Again, he is a very good player. I'd take him on MSU in a heartbeat. But overrated doesn't necessarily mean the player is bad. It is all relative. In Frazier's case, people considered him a Top 5-10 player in the Big Ten last year. I personally see his production more a measure of his situation than his talent.
But hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Tim Hardaway Jr. (Michigan) - disappears too much to be considered an elite player (yet he is); also depends a lot on Burke
Aaron Craft (OSU) - hack who gets all the calls, terrible offensive player
Dre Hollins (Minnesota) - good player, but should be much better than he is and has complete no-show games
Glenn Robinson III (Michigan) - read Hardaway's description
Brandon Paul (Illinois) - chucker
Drew Crawford (Northwestern) - great all-around player stuck on a shitty team; doesn't help that he's out for the season
Derrick Nix (MSU) - probably the third or fourth best big man in the conference (after Zeller, Payne, and maaaybe Mbakwe) but gets no pub
Aaron White (Iowa) - great all-around player stuck on a shitty team
Keith Appling (MSU) - one of the best point guards in the country, but only really known as an elite player by Big Ten fans
Reggie Hearn (Northwestern) - dude has NBA potential yet no one knows him
WORTHY OF THE HYPE
Gary Harris (MSU) - silky smooth shooter and fantastic defender; will be a lottery pick if he stays at MSU another year
Victor Oladipo (Indiana) - maybe the best player in the country
Trey Burke (Michigan) - maybe the best PG in the country
Deshaun Thomas (UM) - ridiculous scorer who can drop 25+ on anyone when he's on his game
DJ Richardson (Illinois) - maybe even a little bit underrated; great shooter and active defender--probably a future NBA player
How underrated is Hearn? I don't know who he is.
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