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A Game of Thrones: For People Who Have Read the Books SPOILERS

  • Thanks everyone. Had some Borders gift cards to burn, so I bought the first few Wheel of Time books. Not a bad price at $7-8 each. Got through the first 100 pages last night. thumbsup

  • Dr Klopek19856 said... (original post)

    Thanks everyone. Had some Borders gift cards to burn, so I bought the first few Wheel of Time books. Not a bad price at $7-8 each. Got through the first 100 pages last night.

    Say good-bye to the next 6 months to a year of social calendar as you burn through that series. After the first 100 pages of the first book, it's more or less non-stop action until about halfway through book 8. If you like political games as well, you'll get a healthy dose of that, as well as military tactics.

    Started Game of Thrones last night, told myself I'd just read for 15 min. before I went to bed.

    I was hooked after the prologue. That scene sounded so darn cool that I can't wait to see what HBO does with it and the rest of the books.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Say good-bye to the next 6 months to a year of social calendar as you burn through that series. After the first 100 pages of the first book, it's more or less non-stop action until about halfway through book 8. If you like political games as well, you'll get a healthy dose of that, as well as military tactics.

    Started Game of Thrones last night, told myself I'd just read for 15 min. before I went to bed.

    I was hooked after the prologue. That scene sounded so darn cool that I can't wait to see what HBO does with it and the rest of the books.

    Yeah, I could tell things were ramping up. I decided to put the book down since I wanted to make it to work this week!

  • Dr Klopek19856 said... (original post)

    Yeah, I could tell things were ramping up. I decided to put the book down since I wanted to make it to work this week!

    I'm going to get through Game of Thrones by mid-Feb so I can compare it to tWOT. Jordan's books are outstanding and the detail and sheer number of people and personalities he can put in there is amazing.

    Only criticism is that by books 8 and 9, there are literally 100+ characters that get "screen time" so sometimes it seems that the author is losing the forest for the trees. I assure you that the final books make wading through that worth it AND there's so much momentum and action from books 1-7 that you can crash though books 8 and 9 knowing that crazy stuff is ahead.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Saw this great review about HBO version:

    http://www.shadowlocked.com/201101241328/opinion-features/game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming.html

  • Spartan_MD said... (original post)

    Saw this great review about HBO version:

    http://www.shadowlocked.com/201101241328/opinion-features/game-of-thrones-winter-is-coming.html

    It took me a few weeks to get to page 50 or so of Game of Thrones because of work, etc. It took me 6 days to finish the rest of the book, could not put it down. I finished it on Saturday and am already 150 pages into Clash of Kings.

    Just read that review; I'm really excited for the series. No doubt it'll be hard to recreate the castles, etc. ,but as long as they keep the dialogue (especially Tyrion's) I'm ok with just about everything.

    I also see that they've moved up the age of Sansa to 13 (from 11) and Arya to 11 (from 9). Don't quite understand why that is, but oh well. There are going to be some very very controversial scenes of course (and that's just from my knowledge of Book 1 and 1/4 of Book 2!) and I'm looking forward to the water cooler discussions on all of them.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    It took me a few weeks to get to page 50 or so of Game of Thrones because of work, etc. It took me 6 days to finish the rest of the book, could not put it down. I finished it on Saturday and am already 150 pages into Clash of Kings.

    Just read that review; I'm really excited for the series. No doubt it'll be hard to recreate the castles, etc. ,but as long as they keep the dialogue (especially Tyrion's) I'm ok with just about everything.

    I also see that they've moved up the age of Sansa to 13 (from 11) and Arya to 11 (from 9). Don't quite understand why that is, but oh well. There are going to be some very very controversial scenes of course (and that's just from my knowledge of Book 1 and 1/4 of Book 2!) and I'm looking forward to the water cooler discussions on all of them.

    I wondered about the age changes too. Martin has said that if he were starting the series over, he would make all of the characters a few years older. I'm guessing that the age changes were prompted by HBO. Some of the characters' stories (especially Daenarys) would have to be seriously re-written if they stuck with the ages from the book.

  • Dr Klopek19856 said... (original post)

    I wondered about the age changes too. Martin has said that if he were starting the series over, he would make all of the characters a few years older. I'm guessing that the age changes were prompted by HBO. Some of the characters' stories (especially Daenarys) would have to be seriously re-written if they stuck with the ages from the book.

    That's what I thought too. I wouldn't be surprised if Dany starts at 16 or even 18 instead of 13 at the beginning of the series for obvious reasons. (Edit: I don't know if they've announced her age yet, please correct me if I'm wrong).

    From our generation's perspective, it would seem crazy to have kings/queens/lords so young, as many of us aren't even out of college until age 21/22. If the characters were in their mid-to late teens and early 20s instead of pre-teen/young teens, it may translate a little better for TV audiences. Trying not to spoil anything, but the relative youth of some very important figures is kind of nuts to me. I know Martin is keeping this as medieval as possible, where people were married at 12 and mothers by 13/14, became lords/kings as soon as their mother/father died, but by todays standards, where most world leaders are in their 50s, I can see some TV audiences wondering why so many important figures are kids instead of young adults. I love the story as is, but I wonder how a wider audience will feel about it.

    FTR, we really need the "spoiler" thing on this board so the people that have read the books can talk about the show without spoiling the plot for everyone else.

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  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    That's what I thought too. I wouldn't be surprised if Dany starts at 16 or even 18 instead of 13 at the beginning of the series for obvious reasons.

    From our generation's perspective, it would seem crazy to have kings/queens/lords so young, as many of us aren't even out of college until age 21/22. If the characters were in their mid-to late teens and early 20s instead of pre-teen/young teens, it may translate a little better for TV audiences. Trying not to spoil anything, but the relative youth of some very important figures is kind of nuts to me. I know Martin is keeping this as medieval as possible, where people were married at 12 and mothers by 13/14, became lords/kings as soon as their mother/father died, but by todays standards, where most world leaders are in their 50s, I can see some audiences wondering why so many important figures are kids.

    FTR, we really need the "spoiler" thing on this board so the people that have read the books can talk about the show without spoiling the plot for everyone else.

    Totally agree on the spoiler tag. Regarding Dany, I bet she starts at 18. I would bet that HBO defeinitely wants there to be a decent amount of nudity in the series, and she's one of the prime characters for it. I'm sure they think its way more valuable to change her age and get the nudity than keep it faithful to the book and have to forego some of her scenes.

  • Dr Klopek19856 said... (original post)

    Totally agree on the spoiler tag. Regarding Dany, I bet she starts at 18. I would bet that HBO defeinitely wants there to be a decent amount of nudity in the series, and she's one of the prime characters for it. I'm sure they think its way more valuable to change her age and get the nudity than keep it faithful to the book and have to forego some of her scenes.

    Yea, and from what I can tell, making her a few years older won't have any effects on her storylines. There's definitely some weird stuff going on with her though. I do enjoy that there's really no "good" or "evil", just a bunch of power-hungry people duking it out. There are obviously honorable and dishonorable characters and some that do border on evil, but it's not just Starks vs. Lannisters.

    I wonder what they'll do about the wolves; in True Blood, HBO used real wolves for the werewolves, so I wonder how the dire wolves will be treated. Also, I'm immensely curious on how they're going to create the Wall, I mean, they're not going to build a giant wall of ice.

    I also want to know if they're going to start the show with the prologue of the first book. Pretty solid way to open, if you ask me. Is it April yet?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • After seeing this thread I grabbed the first audio book for work listening. I liked it so much I had to go out and buy the real book so I could finish it faster.
    I ordered the rest of the series through Amazon and signed up for their trial premium account just to get the free 2-day shipping.
    The way things are going I'll have to start paying for HBO again.

    Thanks, RCMB.

    This post was edited by Zeke4H 3 years ago

  • Zeke4H said... (original post)

    After seeing this thread I grabbed the first audio book for work listening. I liked it so much I had to go out and buy the real book so I could finish it faster. I ordered the rest of the series through Amazon and signed up for their trial premium account just to get the free 2-day shipping. The way things are going I'll have to start paying for HBO again.

    Thanks, RCMB.

    I mean, how can you NOT? There are multiple scenes where I can't wait to see how they adapt them for the show. As an avid fantasy reader, I appreciate that there's not a ton of magic/sorcery, etc. (which I actually do enjoy reading, but like that Martin doesn't need it to make the action go) and about 90% of it could have taken place in Europe during the middle ages.

    I thought I could wait till my b-day in June to get books 3 and 4, but it's looking like I'm going to be going to Borders/Barnes and Noble in the next week or so.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    I thought I could wait till my b-day in June to get books 3 and 4, but it's looking like I'm going to be going to Borders/Barnes and Noble in the next week or so.

    You might be disappointed. I tried Barnes and Noble and they only had the first book. Info desk said they only keep 1 or 2 in stock. Strange seeing as it just hit bestseller status in January.

    I'm in NC, not sure if you'd have more luck in Michigan.

  • Zeke4H said... (original post)

    You might be disappointed. I tried Barnes and Noble and they only had the first book. Info desk said they only keep 1 or 2 in stock. Strange seeing as it just hit bestseller status in January.

    I'm in NC, not sure if you'd have more luck in Michigan.

    I live in Chicago, so I'd hope I can find it somewhere.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Yea, and from what I can tell, making her a few years older won't have any effects on her storylines. There's definitely some weird stuff going on with her though. I do enjoy that there's really no "good" or "evil", just a bunch of power-hungry people duking it out. There are obviously honorable and dishonorable characters and some that do border on evil, but it's not just Starks vs. Lannisters.

    I wonder what they'll do about the wolves; in True Blood, HBO used real wolves for the werewolves, so I wonder how the dire wolves will be treated. Also, I'm immensely curious on how they're going to create the Wall, I mean, they're not going to build a giant wall of ice.

    I also want to know if they're going to start the show with the prologue of the first book. Pretty solid way to open, if you ask me. Is it April yet?

    Apparently they're using some breed of dog for the first season when the wolves are still supposed to be puppies. After that, I think they're using the same dogs but beefing them up with CGI. I'm guessing they're gonna have to use CGi for the wall too. This is definitely gonna be an expensive show. That's why I'm a little nervous about whether it will make it past season 1.

  • Misterray

    Rocky- Glad to see that you're enjoying the books.

    I'm also interested to read of others getting hooked. From what I'm getting from Martin's website, he MAY finish the fifth book this year. That would be good.

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  • Without the spoiler tag, I'm not gonna go into much detail. But, this morning before work, I read a scene in the third book that makes me want to take a sick day and do nothing but read.

  • Dr Klopek19856 said... (original post)

    Without the spoiler tag, I'm not gonna go into much detail. But, this morning before work, I read a scene in the third book that makes me want to take a sick day and do nothing but read.

    Totally not there yet. On page 166 of Book 2.

    Re: Your post about the budget.

    That was a big concern about the project; most of it's being done with set pieces, but CGI is going to be necessary for the "grand scope" things like the Wall. With they hype it's receiving, I'm sure it'll be re-upped for a 2nd season within the first few episodes of this one. Too big of a following.

    Have you seen the extended trailer/look in on youtube? Sets look really good, and they nailed Littlefinger's actor. Dany looks to be between 16 and 21; no way she could pass for 13. Bran looks the right age, Snow has a porn 'stache, which I find hilarious. King Robert looks the bloated buffoon he's supposed to be. Cersei's hot, I thought Catelyn would be a bit younger, she looks to be in her mid to late 40s. Joffrey looks like an arrogant little snot, so that's good to see.

    The scenes in the North looks dark and desolate; King's Landing bright and sunny. The Dothraki scenes look appropriately middle-eastern mixed with native american. All in all, it looks pretty darn good.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Misterray said... (original post)

    Rocky- Glad to see that you're enjoying the books.

    I'm also interested to read of others getting hooked. From what I'm getting from Martin's website, he MAY finish the fifth book this year. That would be good.

    Oh yea man, thanks a ton for the recommendation. Really can't put them down. He's got a very different writing style from Jordan, but because of the point of view set-up, you're able to get a very good feeling for the characters with only 6-10 page look-ins. Very very impressed with that. There's little "down" time, as even the plotting by the characters has a sense of urgency to it. I'm amazed at how I can get attached to the characters in such a short period of time. Very very impressed.

    Ironically enough, how perfect are the chapters to be scenes for a TV show? Is that not the easiest script to write? Alright, we're going to start in the North, then go to Winterfall for a bit, telling the story from the Prologue, Bran, Ned and Jon's perspective when the King arrives. Episode 1, done.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • Misterray

    SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Oh yea man, thanks a ton for the recommendation. Really can't put them down. He's got a very different writing style from Jordan, but because of the point of view set-up, you're able to get a very good feeling for the characters with only 6-10 page look-ins. Very very impressed with that. There's little "down" time, as even the plotting by the characters has a sense of urgency to it. I'm amazed at how I can get attached to the characters in such a short period of time. Very very impressed.

    Ironically enough, how perfect are the chapters to be scenes for a TV show? Is that not the easiest script to write? Alright, we're going to start in the North, then go to Winterfall for a bit, telling the story from the Prologue, Bran, Ned and Jon's perspective when the King arrives. Episode 1, done.

    You're welcome.

    About the TV friendliness: Martin wrote for television for about ten years. He was a writer for the Beauty and the Beast series from the '80's with Linda Hamilton and Ron Perleman. No doubt that's a factor.

    About the characters: I agree with you. Love them well. Remember anyone can die at any time. ANYONE! So take every life threatening adventure seriously.

    I suspect that TV writing is a factor there as well. "Yes yes, everyone knows that Linda Hamilton isn't going to die this episode, but in MY book screw that! Die Linda!"

    The other thing that you're going to start loving is that characters change. "Good" guys can become twisted by their experiences and "villains" can change their ways. Martin does a great job of making these changes believable.

    Fantastic series.

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  • Misterray said... (original post)

    You're welcome.

    About the TV friendliness: Martin wrote for television for about ten years. He was a writer for the Beauty and the Beast series from the '80's with Linda Hamilton and Ron Perleman. No doubt that's a factor.

    About the characters: I agree with you. Love them well. Remember anyone can die at any time. ANYONE! So take every life threatening adventure seriously.

    I suspect that TV writing is a factor there as well. "Yes yes, everyone knows that Linda Hamilton isn't going to die this episode, but in MY book screw that! Die Linda!"

    The other thing that you're going to start loving is that characters change. "Good" guys can become twisted by their experiences and "villains" can change their ways. Martin does a great job of making these changes believable.

    Fantastic series.

    Glad you touched on the good and bad guys thing. ONe of the things that grips me about the series is that it makes the characters have very very believable personalities. The characters run the gauntlet of honor and wickedness and the same character can do morally reprehensible and completely honorable things in the same chapter even. That there's no bright line between good and evil allows the story to be told from all sides effectively.

    In the first book I laughed, I cried and at one point got so angry at a particular betrayal that I dropped an f-bomb and threw the book down. Suffice to say, I loved every minute of it.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

  • I really wish I was as excited about the book series and HBO series as all of you guys. I really do. But the sad fact is that I started reading it in high school and I am now almost thirty. I have waited for 13 years for that fat f@ck to finish the series, but still no avail. When a Feast for Crows came out, I thought he was going to start picking up the pace and get the series finished by the end of the decade. I thought he would never make us wait 5 years again between books. I thought we might eventually get closure. None of these things happened, nor are they going to happen. At the rate he is going, he will finish the series in 2022(that is not an exaggeration). Lets face it, the series started out great, but he has lost his way. I imagine that this series is going to have the same fate as tWOT, left for someone else to finish after the long winded author is worm food. My advice is to put it down unless you want to be constantly frustrated by delays, push backs and a never ending cycle of "I'll finish it at MY pace".

  • SpartanRocky said... (original post)

    Glad you touched on the good and bad guys thing. ONe of the things that grips me about the series is that it makes the characters have very very believable personalities. The characters run the gauntlet of honor and wickedness and the same character can do morally reprehensible and completely honorable things in the same chapter even. That there's no bright line between good and evil allows the story to be told from all sides effectively.

    In the first book I laughed, I cried and at one point got so angry at a particular betrayal that I dropped an f-bomb and threw the book down. Suffice to say, I loved every minute of it.

    Nice, I love to hear about other people's reactions to these books. There will be several moments throughout the first four books where you will need to take a time out and step away, just out of sheer amazement, anger, etc at the events that you just read. I too had a moment where I tossed Storm of Swords against the wall and vowed I wasnt reading anymore. My self-imposed time-out lasted about a day haha.

    In regards to how long the series is taking to finish. Yeah, it sucks its taking so long. I think the dude is running into serious issues with how to fill the pages. He knows where and how he wants it to end, but I dont think he has the details ironed out on how to get there. On the positive side, the books have incredible re-read value. I've been through the first four books several times and each time I catch something new or have a "Ahh I get it now" moment. Thats the beauty of it'; the author doesnt spoon feed you any explanations.

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  • Cucumber Breath said... (original post)

    I really wish I was as excited about the book series and HBO series as all of you guys. I really do. But the sad fact is that I started reading it in high school and I am now almost thirty. I have waited for 13 years for that fat f@ck to finish the series, but still no avail. When a Feast for Crows came out, I thought he was going to start picking up the pace and get the series finished by the end of the decade. I thought he would never make us wait 5 years again between books. I thought we might eventually get closure. None of these things happened, nor are they going to happen. At the rate he is going, he will finish the series in 2022(that is not an exaggeration). Lets face it, the series started out great, but he has lost his way. I imagine that this series is going to have the same fate as tWOT, left for someone else to finish after the long winded author is worm food. My advice is to put it down unless you want to be constantly frustrated by delays, push backs and a never ending cycle of "I'll finish it at MY pace".

    I wouldn't say that I have reached this point with the series, but the lack of progress on the series has been frustrating to say the least. I will definitely pick up the new book whenever he decides to finish it, and I will probably have to do a re-read to refresh my memory. Some people say that A Feast for Crows was a low point, but I still thought it was a decent book. I think it suffered a bit because the majority of the interesting character view points were not present in A Feast for Crows... all the more reason to want A Dance with Dragons to hurry the hell up and get published.

    I said it earlier in the thread and I have to say it again... I highly recommend Steven Erikson's The Malazan Book of the Fallen. If you like Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire you will be absolutely blown away by Erikson's stuff. I have a number of friends who have read everything available in both series and they all think the Malazan series is better. Also... the 10th and final book of the Malazan series comes out this March rockon

  • Misterray

    DeuceDrizzle said... (original post)

    I said it earlier in the thread and I have to say it again... I highly recommend Steven Erikson's The Malazan Book of the Fallen. If you like Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire you will be absolutely blown away by Erikson's stuff. I have a number of friends who have read everything available in both series and they all think the Malazan series is better. Also... the 10th and final book of the Malazan series comes out this March

    Dude, I took your advice and picked up the first Malazan book. I read the first four chapters of the book [BOOK ONE] and into the fifth chapter.

    I'll apologize in advance for my harshness....

    My reaction: amaturish at best. Poorly constructed plot, very little character development, timelines that make no sense and a bunch of nonsensical actions from various characters. Pretentious poetry "quoted" from various "important" documents. The same character beliefs, attitudes and thoughts repeated over and over. "We are afraid of character X. Really afraid. Really really afraid. I'm serious how afraid we are and how powerful he is!" Lots of assurances in the test that these events are all VERY IMPORTANT and MEANINGFUL!!! I could not care less about any of these characters.

    I set the book aside as unreadable.

    If you tell me it gets better, I'll believe you and pick it up again. Give me SOME reason to accept that it is any better than Eregon (shudder).

    I seriously wanted it to be good. Does it get better? Tell me some concrete thing to give me hope.

    Sorry again for the harshness but it's how I see it....

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