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Thanks, you just cited a widely available news article in a speculative conversation about classified or unknown technologies possessed by two secretive foreign governments.
You got me.
At least he cited a source .
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I'm going by that China surfaced a previously undetected diesel sub in the middle of one of our battle groups while an Admiral was inspecting on the "China might have better tech than us" bit.
American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board
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That's one sub. To assume that technology has magically been applied to their entire fleet is a bit silly.
Just because we have stealth helicopters doesn't mean all our helicopters have stealth. In fact, the vast majority do not.
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The Russians and Chinese have nothing that is a match for an F-22, F-35, or B2, and aren't likely to for another decade. Russia's fifth generation fighter with stealth capabilities is under development with India still, and China may have one or two of their new stealth fighters doing basic fight testing, still far from being an operational platform.
Beyond hardware issues, American pilots are far better trained than Russian and Chinese pilots.
Not that either state would stand up for North Korea if it did something stupid like attack us, Japan, or South Korea, but the Russians and Chinese don't have the ability to fight the US without going nuclear, and then everyone is a loser
As for the submarines? You definitely heard wrong. A US Ohio class SSBN is the quietest submarine ever put to sea, and the Las Angeles, Seawolf, and Virginia class attack subs outclass anything in the world currently operational.
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Wow,a diesel submarine, advanced shit there China.
Small, slow, limited range, and forced to run diesel engines at shallow depths to recharge its batteries all limit the usefulness and effectiveness of a diesel sub.
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I am afraid he is going to paint himself into a corner with his rhetoric and will have to go to war just to prevent a military coup. I think the dude would rather go to war than be executed by a military tribunal.
NK could do a lot of damage with their artillery before we could stop them. I know the tech exists to use laser targeting to destroy shells but it isn't proven. Then we could be faced with years of guerilla warfare secretly being backed by the Chinese.
I hope this turns out more like the cuban missile crisis did instead
That is literally the plot to Down Periscope.
And made it past all of the defenses around our carrier to within torpedo range.
If China wanted to they could have sunk our carrier and there would have been absolutely no warning.
I think that is what I was remembering. Didn't realize that was so long ago now.
And if we wanted to Beijing could be turned into a radioactive wasteland with absolutely no warning, what's your point.
China is not a threat to the united states militarily. They have some defensive oriented systems as part of their brown water navy that could make it more difficult for the US, but that is all.
Furthermore, this is irrelevant, as China really doesn't give a shit about North Korea, and would not stop us from taking action against them.
Losing a carrier would be pretty shocking, yet it still would not change the outcome of the conflict. You sound like one of those people who expects a shutout every time we go to war.
There is not a country on the planet that can compete with us, much less beat us, in an all out conventional war. Probably not even all of them put together. That's why countries try to get nukes...because they can't compete otherwise.
No, this showed that China wasn't as far behind as we suspected. The Song class sub however is not as advanced at the US subs and it not in operation at anywhere near the numbers. The US has more Virginia and Ohio class submarines (both more advanced) than china has total subs in its navy. What this showed was that China's technology was more advanced that our tactics for defense. (the tactics for defending our carriers are unchanged since ww2).
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You can mock or giggle at what I said, but it does not hide the truth that we have put a stranglehold on NK for several years and would love to see China lose its buffer zone.
I am not defending NK at all but to behave like we haven't done anything to choke their economy or try to quietly force a regime change is simply being blind to the realities of the chess game our govt plays.
Do you really think any dictator or regime in the world wants to preemptively take on the US in a situation that would lead to war?
They lose every time without question.
We have the most powerful military on the earth and the combined armies of 90% of the world would not even come close to matching our firepower.
You cannot dispute that we have put an economic blockade on NK- it's just done differently nowadays than the old days of an armada of ships stopping trade to the targeted country. We have created provocations before and usually the country is completely aware that any retaliation would result in invasion and complete destruction of their country so they don't outwardly respond.
Blindly following without even using common sense is something that surprises me. A poster earlier made the comment that NK wants to provoke the US to attack so that their pals (Russia and China) would join in- really??? Again I state what war game scenario does anyone on the planet think they can defeat the US military. Especially now with so many battle tested troops available from Iraq and Afghanistan.
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we have embargoed and put sanctions on DPRK in response to their actions...nuclear weapons program/testing, missile tests, (both of which are in violation of UN resolutions which mean they got past the security council and Russia/China's veto power) human rights violations, the fact that we are still technically at war, US currency counterfeiting, threats against our allies in the region, weapons proliferation, and an inability to abide by previous agreements reached
You tell others to not ignore the facts, don't do the same thing. Its not like the US decided one day to simply fuck with North Korea for no reason.
its also completely untrue to call North Korea a Chinese puppet regime. China might sell them weapons, they might not want to see them get in a war with the US, but its not because they like North Korea, its because they dont want to deal with Korean refugees flooding their borders and a reunified democratic Korea. Kim Jung Il had his uses, because he was at least rational (at least until the end) enough to not push it too far, and he understood that it was a game, and how far things could be pressed. The new Kim has to appease the generals and hardliners, and because of domestic politics, is forced to push things further than they have gone before, risking escalation of this into an actual war. Its the same issue Saddam faced, how far to push something in the face of overwhelming international pressure (which, in the case of North Korea, China is applying) Saddam didn't want the US to invade, but he couldn't be seen to not have WMD or a WMD program, he needed the illusion of them as a deterrent to Iran, which after the Gulf War had a larger and more powerful military than Iraq did as well as to maintain domestic security over the Shiaa and Kurdish population.
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I agree with you there are more facts to this and certainly more than "they are evil and we are pure". I said earlier not defending NK but we do need to look at this in total.
Some responses on here without thought of human life just astonish me. That doesn't even take into account the ones on here who foolishly think that a country wants to be the first to fire a shot at the US or goad us into attacking them.
Unless they have Star Fleet Command on their side they stand no chance of survival against us.
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