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What a twisted world we live in where athletes are deified and intellectuals are considered nerds.
Aaron Swartz helped create RSS, a now ubiquitous format, and later became known for his efforts to make many Internet files available free online.
We are the SPARTANS and They are NOT!!! [spartan 2]
wots ray lewis killed him
Sounds like someone needs a pocket protector - protector....
"As far as the downvotes. It's a gnat biting an lion"
-- A member of tRCMB Justice League, taking the internet WAY WAY too seriously.
"Charges in the case, including wire fraud and computer fraud, were pending at the time of Mr. Swartz’s death, carrying potential penalties of up to 35 years in prison and $1 million in fines."
This is ridiculous. Many violent criminals don't face sentences this stiff.
tRCMB - Visit at your own risk of being disgusted.
Oh come off it, dude. It isn't possible for millions of people to watch competitive programming live.
I wish we could.
OP isn't a dude.
After reading the article, because as technologically inept as I am I had no idea who this dude was, I'm not sure we should hold this guy up as the poster boy of nerds, errr I mean, intellectuals. . He may have been a 'genius', but he was probably looking at prison and certainly was battling some inner demons.
And we do have several nerd celebrities out there - Gates, Jobs, Einstein, Hawkings just to name a few. Might not be as common superstars as athletes, but nerds are given credit when credit is due.
Not live and in person. Technically it is possible for millions to watch competitive programming on a live webcast.
Technically it is also possible, but extraordinarily unlikely, for a pig to fly.
"Those fans are in for a world of hurt...they've never gone up against a premium message board fan base like ours."-Vim
I would've loved picking on that kid in high school
I am gravely disappointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.
Are you suggesting we deify him? No matter what he was doing, he was a criminal facing 35 years in prison.
Why? He would have hacked your shit and destroyed you
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You're completely missing the point, which is that the things that he did to earn up to 35 years in prison are a joke compared to what many criminals do for less prison time. You use those 35 years as some sort of quantification of what a "criminal" he is, which is shallow, to say the least.
For basically checking out too many books at the same time from the library.
I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.
This. And just because he was FACING UP TO however many years in prison is irrelevant he wouldn't have served that time. Kid had more smarts, guts, and desire to change the world for the beter than any of the boners on the RCMB, combined
Are you mentally retarded, or did you just not bother to read the article and the "trumped up" nature of the charges and potential penalties.
From the same playbook as "Criminal thug perp busted with a quarter ounce of marijuana, with an estimated street value of $1.2 million dollars, also charged with intent to deliver"
I don't think you understand what the ramifications of what he is did would have done, had he successfully leaked the entire JSTOR database.
1) JSTOR would have been immediately shutdown, and their parent company Ithaka would go out of business. Over 7,000 institutions utilize JSTOR. I can't fathom how many users that means, but I'll make a conservative estimate that 500,000 students and researchers suddenly wouldn't have legal access (in addition to being able to properly search the whole leaked database, if they were able to even access it) to materials that they needed for research, classwork, etc. Who knows how long it would take to get everything back. If you're at a big school, maybe they find ways to get access to most of it back in months. It'll be costly (i'll get to that later). The small fish can kiss any chance of having those materials available to their current students, and can only hope that somebody else can fix the mess for future ones.
Oh yeah, I said the company would shutdown. Idk exactly how many employees they have, I'd say 100-200, but I do know that half of them live and work in Michigan. They would suddenly be unemployed.
2) JSTOR is a non-profit. In today's gridlock world of making deals, it would take nearly a decade for a brave enough group of people to rebuild that kind of database in a non-profit to make it affordable.
3) The publishers would suddenly see tons of lost revenue as JSTOR suddenly didn't exist, and they would also see the loss of anywhere from a huge chunk, to almost all of their intellectual property gone. That lost revenue could potentially bankrupt some of those publishers. Those that did survive, would be forced to raise prices a lot.
4) It would hit you as MSU (and basically every institution everywhere) would actually have to raise tuition to maintain their research databases, or choose to lose clout as a research institution.
5) Fortunately, MIT's (of all places) computer system immediately knew they were being hacked, and were able to catch Swartz. If they had been successfully been hacked, universities would have to massively restrict the ability to access to electronic research materials, in order to not be sued by the publishers. Again, that would hamper research, and increase expenses for any institution.
tl;dr What he did was really bad, could potentially cripple higher education everywhere. They rightfully threw the book at him, because they don't want anyone to get any silly ideas.
This post was edited by Batesianmimicry 15 months ago
So what was Swartz' motivation? To cripple higher education? Did he overlook that ramification? I don't think so.
Wow, no. Not even close. This is so ridiculously far past a worst-case scenario.
You think the thousands of institutions that pay for JSTOR access would have suddenly told their students "Hey, go pirate this shit instead!"
You do realize that the issue with JSTOR was resolved and they didn't go forward with legal action, right?
He advocated for the open sharing of information. He wasn't trying to cripple the world... "just want to watch the world burn" style.
No, his goal was to make all information freely accessible, by any means necessary. If that hurt the higher education system, he probably would have seen it as necessary collateral. I don't know the guy, so I have no idea what he was thinking. He was almost certainly suffering from depression.
Genius hacker, voice of a generation, likes fishticks...... GAY FISH!
I know, I was trying to get Batesianmimicry to think about his claim of Swarz potentially "crippling" higher ed.
Word. Couldn't have said it better myself:
The family of celebrated internet activist Aaron Swartz has accused prosecutors and MIT officials of being complicit in his death, blaming the apparent suicide on the pursuit of a young man over "an alleged crime that had no victims".
In a statement released late Saturday, Swartz's parents, Robert and Susan, siblings Noah and Ben and partner Taren Stinebrickner-Kauffman said the Redditt builder's demise was not just a "personal tragedy" but "the product of a criminal justice system rife with intimidation and prosecutorial overreach".
Internet activist killed himself a month before going on trial for what family calls 'an alleged crime that had no victims'
Thank you, Denicos.
He's only a criminal because the majority of the populace is too retarded to understand what he did was pretty benign
What he did isn't hacking, it's like being a dick and renting all the copies of a book at a library. Nothing close to "hacking"
This post was edited by Foxbat 15 months ago
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