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That is a red herring. He stole millions of documents, that isn't in dispute. That's against the law, which again, isn't in dispute. But since this guy wishes it wasn't against the law, it's somehow OK for him to do it, and somehow the people whose job it is to enforce the law are now responsible for his suicide?
The fact that he was being prosecuted isn't really all that surprising, although the victim did not with the pursue charges. The punishment for the "crime" is issue.
I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.
How could he have "stolen" documents which he had full, free access to? Because he figured out a way to access and download the documents faster than usual?
That's a bit of a reach but I will say it's absolutely pathetic that we let murderers like OJ and Ray Lewis walk free while going way overboard on others. He should have been hired by the FBI or NSA instead.
Not exactly. JSTOR tracks down articles from various publications and makes them available for purchase, some of them are very expensive. It Swartz downloaded 4.6 million articles, chances are that his bill ran well into 8 figures.
Well, you should have no issue then, because there was no punishment. He was merely indicted. Not convicted, not sentenced, not punished.
FWIW, the charges included gaining illegal access, wire fraud and computer fraud. The 2 key words there are ILLEGAL and FRAUD. That's why he was indicted.
He was given the chance to take his battle to the courts (where it belongs), but he took his own life instead.
He was a member of more than one institution which would have given him full and free access to jstor archives.
So why the extreme charges? Should I provide a list of crimes which are often met with significantly more lenient charges?
Whatever, burger. Just about everyone, except for you, seems to be of the opinion that the DA went overboard on this one. But that's your right. You think the charges were appropriate for the "crime". Everyone else thinks they were beyond absurd, including the victim.
Worth noting is that he didn’t actually “hack” anything. He was granted access by the institution. The institution became concerned when they realized how much data he was transferring and realized they couldn’t boot his connection. Because of this they file against him claim a breach of terms. However, after some mediation the institution agreed that no damage was done and that no victim could be named, hence a victimless crime. In reviewing their terms, MIT actually ended up opening up most of those same files to the public, completely unrestricted. MIT and Aaron settled the case and MIT suggested there was no need to further the case with the FEDs.
However, the FEDs saw otherwise and decided to bring charges against him anyways. In looking at the charges everyone has pretty much agreed that Aaron was not guilty and would have won the case. But can you imagine the stress put on you as a young man knowing the federal government, with limitless resources is coming after you for a crime that carries an asinine jail term and obscene fines? It was no longer a case of being innocent until proven guilty. It was now a case of who can outlast who longer in the judicial system.
So now the world loses a prodigy thanks to archaic bureaucracy.
Aaron Schwartz is not responsible for the things he does on his own (regardless of whether you approve of POSSIBLE, WORST CASE sentencing for said crime).
Also, the Feds ARE responsible for things that Aaron Schwartz does on his own (suicide).
Can someone post a "Why U No Make Sense" gif from Reddit?
When people start facing jail time of 35 years and $1,500,000 in fines because they infringed on "ideas", then I think the main takeaway is that it's time to start looking at copyright law, not putting people in jail.
That's a whole different argument.
When you steal 4.8 million units of ANYTHING, you can expect the possibility of hefty criminal charges.
And with the Feds, they always throw a bunch of crap at the wall that never sticks. I know a guy that whose home was raided by the DEA. They confiscated a pot plant and charged him with felony trafficking based on the weight. Of course, his lawyer pointed out that his client didn't really have much weed, and that the federal prosecutor incorrectly used the entire weight of the weed, the dirt and the terra cotta planter in order to threaten him with a serious charge.
The guy I know didn't kill himself, he went to court and it was thrown out by a judge that didn't like that the Feds over-reached in an obvious way.
Are you one of those trolls who has zero information of the subject matter but just spews random thoughts?
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He didn't -steal- the information. He may have breached the contract regarding usage of the information. I guess if you really want to get into petty semantics you could make an argument that he did "steal" the info WHICH AS HAS ALREADY BEEN NOTED WAS RESEARCH SUPPORTED BY TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUBLIC DOMAIN ANYWAY.
Just because the Feds always throw a bunch of crap at the wall that doesn't stick doesn't make it right nor does it make it any less the behavior of a two-bit bully DA with small dick syndrome.
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I've dealt entirely in facts on this topic. Entirely.
I've noticed people who quote me, and downvote facts, keep changing their arguments, since, well, they at least realized that challenging facts wasn't work out so well.
I look forward to your next "What if?" rationalization.
Blah blah blah, with the it SHOULD be ours, taxpayers helped fund it.
Taxpayers fund the roads, but you can't just go dig up the asphalt....even if you think you "should" be able to. Same goes for the taxpayer funds that went into building nuclear weapons and the Space Shuttle. Go confiscate a Stealth Fighter if you think you're entitled, but I'm going to warn you that you'll very likely face some serious charges.
Public funding doesn't equate to unfettered public access to a resource. It never has. Anywhere. Ever.
You still haven't addressed the fact that Swartz had open and free access to jstor's archives, so he wasn't stealing.
And you keep conveniently ignoring the fact the jstor didn't wish to press charges.
The fact that you think downloading jstor articles in bulk is analogous to stealing a stealth fighter simply shows how out of touch you are on this issue.
It's sort of appalling to see who Obama and Holder are willing to prosecute, and who they're not willing to prosecute. When the S&L's were looted quite a few went to prison, but when Wall Street does far worse, not one person from a big name firm is prosecuted. Meanwhile if you grow medical Marijuana or download academic papers, you're public enemy #1.
Apparently not smart enough or had enough guts to not kill himself.
Guy was obviously very disturbed, a lot of people get very stressed at some point in their lives, most don't kill themselves.
Sorry, I have limited empathy for healthy people that choose suicide, lets not make him a martyr.
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The worst possible timing for me to come across this article (scUM-MSU game tonight), but I've got to drop it here or I'll forget it entirely:
A whitehouse.gov petition demanding the President Barack Obama administration remove Aaron Swartz’s prosecutor in the aftermath of the internet activist’s suicide has surpassed 25,000 signatures.
That means the Obama administration is obliged to enter the debate over whether authorities — including line prosecutor Assistant U.S. Attorney Stephen Heymann — went too far in prosecuting the 26-year-old internet sensation....
[Swortz's] prosecution was being handled by Heymann, the Boston-based cybercrime prosecutor who won a record 20-year prison stretch for TJX hacker Albert Gonzalez. Another defendant connected to the TJX case, Jonathan James, committed suicide.
A whitehouse.gov petition demanding the President Barack Obama administration remove the Aaron Swartz prosecutor in the aftermath of the internet activists suicide has surpassed 25,000 signatures. That means the Obama administration is obliged to enter the debate over whether authorities -- including line prosecutor Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Heymann -- went too far in prosecuting the 26-year-old internet sensation.
I reject your premise. How would JSTOR shut down? Has Hollywood shut down now that piracy is an issue? Are movie theaters completely empty? No. JSTOR would have still been there as many places would not attempt to obtain the JSTOR files which he accessed illegally. I am not saying what he did is right, but I understand where he is coming from. I do not necessarily agree with where he is coming from either but I definitely respect those that have that opinion. I have several friends that have the same view. Let's try to remember he is accused of downloading articles/papers/journals that are academic. It's not even like he was taking something for entertainment purposes. It's outrageous that he could have gotten 35 years and a 1+ million fine for that when he even gave back all the information. ( I also would say it would seem he was at least paritally successful because if he wasn't he wouldn't have had 4.8 million documents downloaded that he had to turn over.)
I thought it is now 100,000 signatures to get a "response."
PS You act like Obama will do something? He don't care.
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