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It's a call that will be made any time a player leaves the ice to jump into an opponent. The fear of concussions is taking the flying check out of the game. The replays I saw looked like it was a clean hit but as soon as Abdelkader's skates left the ice the hit was going to be deemed illegal by the referees and backed by the league office.
Unfortunately, Abdelkader got what he deserved. He left his feet to hit the guy up high. You can argue semantics all you want, but either he left his feet before the hit, which is a penalty, or, he hit the guy in the head, which is an easy call to make for the NHL. Not sure where some are saying the hit was to the shoulder. A hit to the shoulder would not make the guy groggy, as he clearly was. Save the crap the hit was to the shoulder, scraped off there, and eventually led to his head. Bottom line, it was a dangerous play, which has been a focal point of NHL. Doesn't make it right, but everyone knows this going in.
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No more leaving your feet =)
correct the primary targeted point was the shoulder. then throughout the course of collision he made contact to the head and came off his feet after contact. per the player education safety video on charging on the NHL's website, that's a 2 minute charge and not a suspendable offense. He didn't intentionally target the head and the initial contact point was the shoulder. The NHL's very own video on what is illegal and suspendable vs just illegal puts Abs in the latter category...yet, he still gets suspended.
The media outlets that cover hockey (NHL Network, TSN) both say the suspension in warranted. Even ESPN hockey talking heads say so. I expect ESPN to take the lazy way and hop on board the suspension PC train. But, NHL Network, and especially TSN have broken it down every which way and say he should be suspended. The only ones who think nothing should be warranted are Mickey Redmond and the rest of the Red Wing fans. Heck, even Ken Daniels thinks the hit was illegal. He based his call on a ref hand not going up to signal a penalty, which we know is irrelevant in the grand scheme (in terms of it being the right call, not whether or not a suspension is warranted, because that is different).
Look - I'm a Wings fan and an Abdelkader fan, but that was a terrible hit and deserved the 5 minute major and the suspension. You apologists would be singing a different tune if one of the Ducks had concussed Zetterberg or Datsyuk with a charging penalty like that.
My only complaint is that while Shanny got it right with this one, he still gets it wrong on so many other dangerous hits that also deserve suspension. Until he gets consistent and I don't think he ever will, the message will not get through to players that charging and boarding penalties need to be eliminated from the game. The injuries are too severe to tolerate this stuff anymore.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury
You are absolutely right on the first part. However, we already lost a key defenseman for the year because selanne is slashing uncontrollably out there and doesn't even get a 2 minute minor. He has been doing it the whole series but he's old and the timeless wonder so no way they will call a penalty. Then abdelkader's head gets cross checked into the boards from behind and nothing comes out of that to reprimand the ducks player who did that. That is the dirtiest play in hockey right there.
Abdelkaders shoulder was high. It looked bad. But not nearly as dangerous as the hit on him.
I think that the wings fans are just frustrated that the Ducks have gotten away with dirty hits and when the wings have a questionable hit, the NHL drops the hammer on them.
The Red Wings have never lost a playoff series, they've either been screwed by the officiating, the league playing favorites, or the scheduling. Sound familiar?
Since light travels faster than sound, people appear bright until you hear them speak.
No real problem with the penalty and GMC, the suspension is a little head scrathing, but whatever.
If we are suspending for all contact to the head, incidental or intentional (that's what I keep hearing from the Hockey press - that he was suspended because of the head contact), why wasn't Corey Perry suspended for hitting Howard in the head with his skate. Why wasn't this play even reviewed by the league office?
I just want some consistency and a little transparency from the league, that's all.
Exactly. Call it both ways.
That was incidental contact with Perry to Howard, there wasn't anywhere Perry could go with his feet.
I love how people go full Zapruder whenever there's a hit like this. Everybody posts screencaps to show "His skates were on the ice at impact!" or "He clearly left the ice!" Whatever.
And to people still complaining about DeKeyser's injury, deal with it. It wasn't the result of a play involving Selanne, BTW -- it was Palmieri (another rookie). And DeKeyser himself made it sound as if it was just something that happened when the two of them were tangling sticks. (Yeah, hockey porn, I know.) Calling for supplemental discipline because someone got injured on a routine play just feeds the beast that is the Department of Player Safety. Knock it off.
Abs is out 2 games. The Wings must win at least one of those games, and preferably both. Now is the perfect time for all those Abs-haters to rise up and say "FINALLY! PAVS WON'T BE TIED DOWN BY ABDELKADER ANYMORE!" Bring it on, fellas.
Thank you, Denicos.
Just as a point of interest, here's Kerry Frasier's blog post on the Gryba hit (pre-suspension). Note that he says charging does not apply:
Charging was not an option either since Eric Gryba was not moving his feet as he set up to make the check and glided into Eller with his skates on the ice.
Frasier also thought the Gryba hit was clean, BTW. Here's the video that his blog post refers to.
In Friday's edition of C'Mon Ref, NHL on TSN analyst and former NHL referee Kerry Fraser answers a question surrounding the Eric Gryba hit on Lars Eller and the referee's handling of the situation.
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Well said. The Wings are down because they squandered a 5-3 power play and numerous other man advantages early in game 3. The Ducks are an undisciplined bunch of whiners and they will continue to play like it, as their coach is probably the biggest whiner in the NHL. So the Wings have to play smart, stay out of the box, and capitalize on the power plays they are sure to get.
And Dave Reid (pre-Abs-suspension) says he'd give it 2 games. (Who's Dave Reid, and why should you care what he said? Well, it's the 2nd part of that I'm having trouble with.)
come on, he's a Spartan so he's untouchable, though 2 games is excessive. I would have been fine with 1.
Not that it will matter, getting steamrolled like that on Saturday signals that the Wings aren't winning this series.
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Where did I say it was not incidental?
That's part of my transparency issue. Ok, NHL suspends him 2 games....why? Neither charging, a 5M major, or a game misconduct does not automatically result in suspension. So why does this hit result in a suspension?
Was it because the head was involved (it was incremental contact to the head in this case too.) that resulted in the suspension? If so, shouldn't every head hit be at least reviewed by the league?
Was it because an injury resulted? If so, shouldn't every player contact penalty that results in injury be reviewed by the league?
Why was it a 2 game and not a 1? Why wasn't the game misconduct enough? Why pick and choose which plays result in suspension, and which plays don't? And if they do, give us a reason? That's all. Don't be afraid. Not saying anything is causing just as much bad ink as saying something would. It's unavoidable...you're gonna piss of fans with any ruling.
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It really is an impressive stat when you think about it.
As soon as the league gave Gryba 2 games, there was no way they could give Abs less than 2 games.
1) You're asking why any league doles out suspensions at all; if you really need that question answered, this conversation isn't for you. 2) Are you aware that Shanaban makes low-quality monotone videos explaining every suspension he hands out? You should check them out sometime, they'll put you to sleep within minutes.
Also, I don't think incremental means what you think it means.
You are a worthless turd. You've been absent since the Wings made the playoffs and now you are here to fish. Sorry brah this board already has a Lone Wolf. Go stalk SpartanRocky
Ducks coach Bruce Boudreau said on Monday that Lydman won't play tonight and likely will be out more than two games.
“I hope he’s back right away and he’s not injured,'' Abdelkader said. “It’s an unfortunate play.
“I play a hard game, I play physical. I’m going to still play my physical game, get in on the forecheck, finish checks, but I’ve got to be smart about it. The speed of the game, it happens so fast. It’s unfortunate what happened.''
Aggressive forward, suspended for the next two games, says he'll continue playing his style of hockey, but he must be smart about it.
They've had two strikes since 2005 that have either erased the season or compromised it greatly. Gary Bettman is still running the league and the Florida Panthers are still in existence. If it's a race, then the NHL is Secretariat at the Belmont Stakes.
Wings played great hockey the final week to sneak into the playoffs good on them. Are you that piece of white trash at JLA wearing a Mathieu Schneider jersey? Wings fan base the biggest group of white trash in NA.
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