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Your definition of 'trying to do too much' isn't what society views as trying to do too much.
In order for him to be an elite college player he has to be a blue chip draft pick? Is there something wrong with your memory.
so he's not a great college player because he isn't considered a first round draft pick by the nba?
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
I'm sorry but this is the dumbest post I've ever read on this board. Draymond Green will go down as one of the greatest Spartans of all time. You don't deserve to watch another game.
He will be the first player since Tim Duncan to average 15 points 10 boards & 3 assists per game. SINCE TIM DUNCAN. Do you know how long that has been?
If you want to rely heavily on stats, which your argument is based 100% on stats, then factor this into your equation. 15 10 3.
Just because he isn't Anthony Davis, in your mind, does not mean he isn't great.
This guy must be trying to make a run at most-downvoted thread!
You're going to get lots of Kentucky players in the draft having not done nearly anything in the NCAA for Kentucky.
Exactly. Where he factors into the NBA does NOT, under any circumstance, take away from what he has done in college. His college career should only be judged by what he did for MSU. He has been great for MSU and if he never puts on an NBA jersey it still does not take away one bit of greatness he accomplished at MSU.
You seem for whatever reason to be the sane voice here.
Looking at my comments only factually, not with green lenses, what exactly have i said in this thread that isnt perfectly correct and spot on? In other words, where have i distorted the truth even a tiny bit?
You aren't telling the full story. You can make a stat do anything. He only is averaging 3 assists per game, Jeez, he must be selfish & a bad passer. Do you see how that works? You are ONLY looking at a few stats. Not the player as a whole.
I bleed green and white, but let's be real! Green is only a AA candidate because he is the only four on the team and most experienced player. Thus, he has a green light. I would like to see Nix get more and let the freshmen bigs play. Green gets as many turnovers and stupid fouls as any freshmen would!
Yeah. That's exactly why he's been in the discussion for National POY. Because he's the only 4 on MSU.
Here is my definition of a great player.
Playing against great teams brings out the best in you...fail
Being clutch down the stretch in games .....fail
Being consistant night in night out...fail
The kid from UCONN last year to me is a perfect example of a very good college player who excelled in the areas i noted above. Green isnt in the same area code, in spite of being considered for the same kind of honors.
I think Draymond is a good college player, that was put, because of graduations and other factors(Lucious, Allen,etc) into a huge responsibilty situation at an elite always on TV program. He is unable to shoulder this burden with the skillset he has, yet seems unaware of this and continues to try to anyhow. He gets plays run for him to take advantage of his skillset by perhaps the best tactician in the college game, and gets a free pass for not showing up in big games and continually throwing the ball away and whining and crying. He has gotten a pass with more boneheaded plays than anybody i have seen Izzo smooch up to over the years.
Its almost like Izzo knows he has to stroke this huge ego the kid has because he is the only horse in the stable. A lot of time its worked, but against the really good teams, it flat hasnt.
MSU will have more options next year, not just one.
What do you mean not telling the full story.
I picked the 6 highest rated teams on MSU's schedule. Green has shot 35% against them and taken a lot of shots, that isnt good. At all. He has also turned the ball over more in those games than anybody else playing in them, including primary ballhandlers. Even ignoring those games, his assist to turnover ratio is 1.2 to 1, that is extremely ordinary, even mediocre. He is just the only option this year, that is why he has had so many chances to get it done.
If a guy shoots 35%, is extremely sloppy with the ball, and pouts a lot, how much deeper does anyone truly have to look to see this guy isnt an elite guy when it matters, rebounds or not.
The press has given him a pass.
Again, he is a good college player, but he flunks the sniff test at crunch time, no doubt about it.
This post was edited by Mudjin harbor 2 years ago
He didn't against Wisconsin. He didn't at Purdue. He had two huge shots yesterday in the last minutes before missing the last one. You're full of shit, pal.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
Holy fuck you're dumb. Do you have any idea what addition by subtraction means?
If you were arguing that the team will be better because next year's freshmen and more experienced returning players will offset the loss of our departing seniors, you'd have a (probably still asinine) point. Instead you're just a moran.
15 now. What the hell is wrong with our board?
Against Wisky he missed both free throws late in the game at the line shooting two, either one of which would have driven the nail in the coffin. Went 6-19 as well.
Against OSU yesterday he shot 6-18 had 4 turnovers and made the key " bad decision" of the entire game with 25 seconds left.
Not to mention running his mouth and getting a technical foul in the biggest game of the season.
You picked an extremely poor game to use as an example
Green is one of the all-time greats. I don't know about addition bu subtraction, but I do know he is replaceable. Costello/Nix/Payne/Dawson (post), Kaminski/Valentine/Harris/Trice/Appling/Byrd (shooting), Valentine/Trice/Dawson/Appling/Trice (leadership), Valentine/Harris/Trice (passing). It think Denzel is the guy that will be the leader/point wing going forward for this team.
This post was edited by Applingbyrd 2 years ago
Wisconsin at home, last year and this year (this year wasn't close, but a big game nonetheless) Set up game winners in 2 tourney games in 2010. Gonzaga. You're still full of shit. And he made a bad shot yesterday, but the good shots count too.
This post was edited by rookmsu 2 years ago
Jesus Fucking Christ. Every goddamn year the idiot posters come out to say how much better MSU will be without (insert good to great Spartan player here). This time because you don't like the player's on court demeanor and because he tries to do too much.
I am afraid that the whole world is closer to moral foreclosure.
What should I moderate in this thread? Idiots exposing themselves?
I swear if this board existed in 1979 a segment of posters would bash Magic Johnson.
Since you don't even know Kimba Walker's name now, I'll assume you didn't know anything about him until the Big East tourney. So, how do you know if Walker excelled in the areas you list up until the Big East tourney? Do you really think Kimba Walker played great against each great team he played last year? Do you really think Walker hit clutch shots in each close game for UConn?
UConn was 21-9 before the Big East tounrey started, so I'm gonna say that Walker really didn't always play great against great teams, he didn't hit each clutch shot all year long in the Big East and he wasn't consistant night in and night out...................until the Big East tourney started. Nice of you to think he was a perfect example, but can't give Green enough respect to at least see how he performs in Big Ten tourney and NCAA tourney.
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