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I know this is just a Deadspin article and shouldn't be looked at with much more credibility then the blecher report, but it brings up some good points in many cases. Unfortunately, they only give MSU credit for 1 national championship (1952). Granted that is one NC without an * then UofM since 1950.
We list 6 NC's. I do not agree at all with their assesment of the 1966 champs. And the 1965 Champ can be debated based on the AP's switch in voting. But for the other 3 they don't even list us as being part of the controversy (in 1951, 1955, and 1957). What was the deal during these years?
Monday night, the Alabama Crimson Tide mercilessly clobbered Notre Dame in the BCS championship game. According to Alabama, it was the schools 15th national football title. Football has been an intercollegiate sport for 142 seasons, starting in 1869 (no one played in 1871). So that should mean that Alabama has won more than 10 percent of all national championships.
Year Coach Selector Record Bowl
1951 Clarence Munn Billingsley, Helms, Poling 9–0
1952 Clarence Munn AP Poll, Coaches' Poll, Helms, National Championship Foundation, United Press 9–0
1955 Duffy Daugherty Boand 9–1 Won Rose
1957 Duffy Daugherty Dunkel 8–1
1965 Duffy Daugherty Coaches' Poll, Football Writers Association, Helms, United Press 10–1 Lost Rose
1966 Duffy Daugherty Helms, National Football Foundation, College Football Researchers Association 9–0–1 +
National Championships 6
Yeah, but let's face it. Some of those are not the most reputable or even widely accepted. Helms is a maybe (it doesn't even exist anymore though). Dunkel and Boand, um, no. People were joking in the ND thread that years from now they will claim a NC this year thanks to that 1 computer poll. Well, that is pretty much Dunkel and Boand are. They are mathematical calculations, and old ones at that.
I would say 4 can be considered legit. 2 at the min.
I say we take 1965 because our team wasn't segregated.
May be bias but I just don't see Michigan over Nebraska. That Nebraska team (as they said) was an absolute juggernaut. I could be wrong but I remember reading an article around that time saying that if Nebraska and Michigan were to play on a neutral field, Vegas line makers had said that Nebraska would be a 6.5 point favorite.
MSU should recognize 1953 and 1978, too, and bring our total up to 8. The Massy Ratings and the Fleming System put MSU #1 in 1953, and Bob Kirlin had us #1 in 1978.
I liked the Deadspin article because it tries to bring some level of sanity to the ridiculous national title claims of schools like Alabama and U of M. The reality is, for many of those years, you had upwards of 3 teams claiming the national championship because of different polls, etc. I think their list is interesting because they actually took the time to try and come to a single deserving team in all of those instances, and in most cases I agree with them. Ultimately, who gives a shit. Those supposed National Championships were at least mostly shared, and a long time ago to boot.
The make a good point though. Both were undefeated, Michigan played 6 ranked teams in their last seven games, and Nebraska admittedly cheated to win one of their games in OT. Nebraska was the better team, but should have had a loss.
I'd say '52 and '66 are legit. The rest are iffy.
As much as I'd love to say that '65 is legit, we really shit the bed by not winning the Rose Bowl against a team we had already beat.
Yeah, but even though MSU lost the Rose Bowl in 1965, why is Alabama allowed to have a loss to Georgia AND a tie to Tennessee and still be considered the champ?
If I had to pick, I would say that 1951, 1952, 1965 and 1966 are all legitimate. But I still think we should just claim 8 because it's not like other schools don't claim iffy titles.
I am a lifelong MSU fan and a grad, and I think Michigan beats Nebraska in 97, relatively handily. Nebraska 97 was not Nebraska 1994-95. First of all, they didn't even deserve to be undefeated, per the kicked ball controversy against Missouri. Secondly, Michigan had an all-time great defense that year. I think they gave up an average of 9.6 points a game. Nebraska's offense was pretty much one dimensional (albeit very effective). and what passing they did have would have easily been shut down by Michigan's stellar D. I think Michigan had something like 30 NFL players on that team (some of them of course were just NFL practice squad). Just from the starters from the 97 team (meaning, no counting Tom Brady, etc), they had 2 NFL rookies of the year, 2 first ballot NFL HOF starters, 2 10 year NFL starting tackles on each side of the O-Line, and another 6 or 7 long time NFL starters and contributors on both sides of the ball. Got to give credit where credit is due.
Yeah, they fail to grant MSU ANY of the contested NC's. They can suck it.
"If you want to be the Man, then you have got to BE the Man." -- CA Sparty's Dad
The BCS has been a clusterfuck, but I completely agree with its intention: To determine a singular champion each year. That split-title shit was super annoying.
This post was edited by Spartanfish1982 18 months ago
52 and 65 hands down legit. 51 it's hard to go undefeated, but 7 teams went that season. 66 an argument could be made for (gun to head, I'd give the nod to ND considering they played without their QB @ MSU). 55 and 57 shouldn't count.
I say 6 when debating, but I really only consider two to be impregnable claims.
And we all know Vegas is never wrong, go ask Louisville about that and as much as it pains me to say it, go ask App. State. You could make a case for both sides, but we will never know.
That list has some serious flaws.
Any self-loathers out there that want to discredit our 1965 title because we lost our bowl game, or any other source for that matter, needs to the award us the outright 1951 national title. In 1951 we finished second in both the coaches and AP poll to Tennessee, a team the proceeded to get the shit kicked out of it in their bowl game.
We were actually ranked #1 with two games left, but we only beat our true rival, Indiana, by 4.
We beat UM 25-0 at UM and we beat ND 35-0.
So fine, take away 1965, but then we get back-to-back coaches and AP titles in 1951 and 1952, which was right in the middle of our 28-game win-streak.
I also remember laughing my ass off at UM fans in 1997 when they didn't win the coaches poll title for a few reasons. Some of them stated on their message boards (which haven't been updated since 1997) that no team in college football history had won a game and dropped in the polls. Not only had it happened before, like it happened to us TWICE in 1951, but it happened to Nebraska that very year, before it happened to UM.
So looking at the past in total, we got jacked in 1951 and bit the other way in 1965. Just like rule changes worked to keep us out of the Rose Bowl after the 2010 and 2011 seasons AND FUCK I AM ALL PISSED OFF AGAIN. FUCK!
...and while I am at it 1978 sucked too. For all the crying UM does for getting nailed for Ed Martin, they never were in a situation where they watched another team play in THEIR Rose Bowl. Just to suck more, it was UM playing in and losing our Rose Bowl for that season too. Damn this thread. So "Iggcitable" pissed off that I won't be able to get to sleep tonight now. Where the hell is that "how to get to sleep quick" thread again?
Well shit, I might as well start thinking of the two Final Fours that Jud was screwed out of now.
Dammit I can't quit MSU sports even though they piss me the fuck off sometimes and the karma factor is as fucked as something that is really fucked.
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