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Given all the chatter - I'll still "believe it when I see it" when it comes to the OL. There are a lot of reasons to be optimistic - and Rocky went to great lengths to explain it.
But let's look at MSU's defense. They'll be good in 2012. They've proved it on the field. They've shown that when a stud leave (Greg Jones for example) they reload. They were at the top of the B1G in many statistics.
Has the OL shown that? The one statistic that shouts out to me is "2011 - Bottom of the B1G rushing". That one gets stuck in my throat.
Talk is cheap. I just moved to Missouri - the "Show me" State. The OL needs to show me. Start blowing open holes on first down and Bell picking up 6 yards. Again, I have vivid 2011 memories of defenses swarming over MSU RB's.
Careful there. The Roushar supporters on this board freak out at the slightest mention of his failings. I need to see him call better games consistently this year. Still struggling with ND, Nebraska and that stupid lateral on our own 2 yard line to open the bowl game.
Could not agree more.
I love what I'm hearing and what I saw. Love it. Not since 88 have I loved it this much. Serious.
That said, I've been watching this frustrating game way too long to ever expect anything until I see the team play in the first couple of games. I never get too pumped up or depressed pre-season. It's always a wait and see. Gun to my head, I'd say we'll be more pleased than disapointed in the line this year. I left spring practice thinking Baker would have went for upwards of 1200 plus this year and wondered if he would have been drafted higher. What's done is done. Now all we can do is wait and see our line, and hope Baker makes it in the NFL.
To me it is all about consistency for the unit in terms of the running game. The unit showed last year that they were consistently good at pass protection, however because of the lack of game experience at WR and QB, MSU will probably need that running game to be consistent now more than ever. I will say that I think the running game slowly got better as the season went along. For example, other than the Outback bowl, Bell average 4.8 YPC or better every single game after the Michigan game. So for seven straight games he was pretty consistent. However if you take the season as a whole and factor in all elements of the running game, the bottom line was MSU average 3.9 YPC for a season and average just shy of 138 YPG. That's just not good enough, and especially this coming year when you are breaking in younger WRs and Maxwell, they'll want those numbers closer to 4.5 YPC and 170 to 190 YPG. If they could get to that range it would put them probably around 3rd to 5th in the BT conference on average which is better than where they are now. I think the bottom line for many of us fans is there is reason for optimism (line experience and depth and a solid durable back in Bell) but we still need to see a prolonged consistency starting with the Boise State game.
A lot of the blame for MSU'S low rushing production falls on Baker. It was clear he didn't trust his blockers the way Bell did, and he got blown up trying to take the edge instead of waiting for a hole. The line also had a hard time gelling early in the season, with inexperience and injury playing a major role. As a result, MSU didn't get to pad their stats in the non-conference. I think if you looked at the scUM game on MSU's ground game would have produced about middle-of-the-pack YPC numbers. The YPG numbers were never going to rank highly because MSU ranked 10th in the B1G in attempts.
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Also much better 2 and 3 deep then I can remember in the last 25 years.
Roushar helped this team win 11 games last year. I'm not excusing him for the playcalling against Notre Dame and Nebraska, but seriously... get the fuck over it.
Called an excellent game in the BIG championship.
I'm with you on that. That's why I highlight the word "potential" and don't just declare "MSU is going to be dominant up front in '12".
FWIW, MSU's running game was pretty good, ranking 40th nationally before the bowl games in 2010. Bama held State to -30 yards rushing or something stupid like that, so it nuked the average.
Still, you're right. It seems the pieces are in place, but they have to actually take that step forward.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Totally agree. He was at 3.9 YPC last year, down from 5.9 the year prior. At 170 attempts, if he hits his same YPC in '11, State averages 24 YPG more on the ground, or better #s than what they had in 2010 (164 YPG).
Roushar probably could have gone with Bell earlier, but I do understand that they had a 1st team All Big 10 RB in the backfield. If anything, Baker's game vs. UM prolonged the switch, because he gave the coaches a very good game to consider .
I feel that Roushar won't be a liability this year. I don't know how good he can be, but I don't think you'll see the ND/Nebraska-style brainfarts.
Barring injuries, the ND fiasco won't happen again. And I think he learned his biggest lesson of the year in the Nebraska game.
Now that I'm not posting from mobile, I can flesh out these points a little better. To reiterate, YPG is not an accurate analysis of MSU's run blocking performance because Kirk Cousins and the talented receiving corps were such an effective weapon. Looking at the split stats, it's easy to see that MSU's rushing performance increased steadily over the course of the season. Naturally, some of this can be attributed to Bell assuming a greater role in the running game, but the offensive line deserves a lot of credit as well.
As I said before, it took the offensive line a while to gel, and as a result the team's rushing stats were not padded by putting up 300+ yards against weaker teams. In conference play, when the offensive line started to come together, MSU was ranked 5th in yards per attempt. With a greater emphasis on running the ball this year, as well as improvement over the offseason, I fully expect MSU's rushing offense to be in the top 3 in the conference this year.
The reactionary mindset of some on this board would have also seen narduzzi and Treadwell fired early in their tenure. I'll give a coach more than one year before calling for the headsman axe.
"losing Caleb Benenoch is a blow that Dantonio will never recover from. Izzo has lost it as well. Hoke and Beilein own the state."
Careful, you'll be called a sunshine blower. I swear I could never watch a game with some of the so called DE's. Can you imagine coaching with some of them? They'd drive you nuts hitting the panic button. I have a friend that finally realized he's just a reactionary ass and now gets up and leaves games and drinks back at his car. Unfortunately he's left games like Wisconsin last year ND two years ago and a handful of others. However at least he doesn't drive us crazy.
And the thing is, I was just as mad about the offensive performance in the ND and Nebraska games as anybody. But because I didn't want him fired, flogged and made to walk back to east Lansing immediately post game means that I endorse that type of offense? Ridiculous.
what difference does it make? what anyone thinks or says about any position on this team is 100% meaningless and has zero bearing on how the team will actually perform. Fans are allowed to be as cocky as they want...they're fans, not players.
Message boards wouldn't exist if everyone just sat back and said "I have no idea how good we'll be, i'll just wait until we play a few games before voicing an opinion on the matter."
Exactly. Although the CSB's would be a quiet group if they actually had to use on field results as a basis for their opinions.
Fresh crow here, get it while it's hot.
Yeah, I'll never believe the media or the coaches about how good the OL is going to be preseason again.
Bump. Please let this serve as a reminder to reserve judgement until actual quality performance is observed.
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