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That's right. And Lance had cancer. So mission accomplished.
"Leave the gun.....take the cannoli"
"It's not your job to be as confused as Nigel."
If he had taped all those Lance posters to his bedroom ceiling, instead of hot gluing them, he wouldn't be so busy right now trying to get them removed. I told him to just leave them there and just paper over them with photos of other innocent sports heroes that have been needlessly vilified like O.J. Simpson and Manti T'eo.
Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity. - Frank Leahy.-- If you're going to be stupid, be smart about it. - Mike Milbury
People are Armstrong fans?
Let's face it, most of tRCMB is absolutely incapable of admitting when they're wrong (me included, sometimes). But Bob is supposedly too cool to care about tRCMB or anything that goes on here, so I assumed it would be easy for him to just admit he was dead wrong on Lance and that his pompous "You can't have an opinion on this because you aren't a cycling expert" attitude was wrong.
I don't really care how many drugs the guy takes, he rides a bike.
Has Bob even posted since the interview with Oprah aired? I gave him a one night courtesy and maybe the following morning to take the replica Yellow USPS jersey into Goodwill, but 21,000 posts and he's just dropped off the grid for four days.
After watching the Armstrong interview with Oprah for a second time I've come to the conclusion that the ONLY thing Armstrong is truly sorry for is getting caught. Other than that, I'm not believing anything he said regarding remorse. Ironically, in a lot of ways Armstrong is a cancer to sports, his family and his "friends".
J T nailed it. ALL those guys were dopers so Lance wasn't necessarily a "fraud" because he doped. Lance was and still is the best of all the cyclists during that era. Fraud, no - liar, yes. Lance should've come clean a long time ago and I think we can all agree that the guy is a huge douche, but he was still the best.
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This. It's not like he wasn't competing on a level playing field.
Forget all the doping and lying, he's just a jerk anyways. He ditched his wife right after she gave birth to twins, so he could run off with Cheryl Crowe, announced his engagement to her, but then dumped her when she was diagnosed with breast cancer. Yup - Mr. Livestrong couldn't be bothered with that.
If everyone had access to the same doping drugs, physicians, team, etc, then you'd be right. Was it just that Armstrong had the best doping team; was it that he had the best cycling team; was it that he was the best cyclist; or was it some combination of these factors?! Who knows, but it's not like the field was level as the only thing truly clear is that Lance Armstrong had the most sophisticated doping regime modern athletics has seen.......
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." --Gandhi
Right. But my point is - if you could go back in time and apply modern testing standards, and really catch everyone who was doping in some fashion, you'd be awarding yellow jerseys to the 93rd place finisher or some such crap. The whole thing was crooked, and therefore, Lance was the best of the group.
Is he a fraud? Of course. Were the rest of the competitors also frauds? Most likely.
Sweet concept. Guess McGuire, Canseco, Clemens and Bonds weren't so bad after all.
Then I feel bad for the guys who did it right.
Agreed. I do feel bad for the poor SOB who was squeaky clean and gave heart and soul to finish a dismal 45th place or whatever.
But comparing Armstrong to the other top riders who have also been found out to be dopers - I still admit I have a little respect his accomplishments. Call it finishing best in class - doped to the gills category. And yeah, unfortunately, that poor 45th place guy who finished best in class - squeaky clean pee category - they get lost in the shuffle.
You could inject me with any and all substances you could engineer in a lab AND install bionic legs on me, and I still couldn't win a yellow jersey.
Aren't most people like that?
i'll get on my bike and ride thru on my way to wells. lance was too big to fail, kinda like the giant cheating banks that run our economy largely for their own benefit, 'cept the feds got their backs.( pssst..... hey guys, got a cash flow problem? here's a few trillion, spend it wisely, but hey, no worries, there's more where that came from).
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I don't really know. I couldn't begin to put a number on it and I hate grouping people in these instances because each case has some differences and need to treated as such.
I will say that I feel I recognize true remorse when I see it. Take Mickey Mantle near the end of his life, I saw an interview he did and I felt that he felt really bad about being such an asshole to fans, for not taking care of his body and other things. When I care about someone and they're truly sorry forgiveness comes easy. I don't feel that way about Lance. In fact, I feel he's just trying to manipulate another situation for his own benefit.
Sak doesn't know dick.
Don't all metro sexuals?
And calf tattoos.
Ya know Bobby - he never tested positive. Aren't you still more than a little skeptical that Lance is getting a raw deal here?
I'd love to do that sometime. You could share with me all of your cycling drug testing expertise as you ride 30 miles a day and know way more than the rest of us do about this entire subject.
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