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Buy new and buy the highest priced German vehicle. That's what I do.
All Subaru turbos are 10.5 compression and require premium fuel because they are 10.5, they and most other 4 banger turbos are little powder kegs, they sooner or later overheat and go bad, it's just a fact of life
True about big cubic inch motors, they are a dying breed, but they are more reliable than anything out there
3.8 pushrods Gm 3800 v6 and the 350/ 5.3 v8 family are more reliable than anything I have seen, maintenance dollar for maintenance dollar.
Regards drag engines, turbo' make great power, they are also super maintenance intensive. High boost blows head gaskets constantly, creates tons of heat and resultant cooling problems, and spooling up turbos creates intense transmission heat/ failures
Supercharges are actually cheaper and more reliable power makers, if we are talking high end type stuff.
I know it's a turbo, bud, a diesel that doesn't run 7000 rpm all the time, more like 2000
Lot different animal than what the OP is talking about
This post was edited by Mudjin harbor 19 months ago
Presumably his wife's choice. She likes ugly things.
If turbo's were so reliable, where are they in the Honda and Toyota lineup.
They aren't there because of exactly the issues I outlined earlierthey aren't as reliable, usually take premium fuel, and are higher to insure.
In short, poison.
Lots of debate on the turbo vs. supercharger front on Pinks All Out. One of my favorite shows.
This post was edited by WhiteBoyHatcher 19 months ago
Knibb High football rules
Turbo's are fing awesome. Put 170K on an Eclipse GSX, and then sold it for $4500.
You pull my chain good
I salute you for that.... Lol
You go to a Pinks all out event, ( when it existed)95% of drag cars there will be N/A with some nitrous added, Maybe 4 percent supercharged, and 1 percent turbo charged.
Except in high buck top engineered pieces, guys can't get turbos spooled up to consistently leave the starting line and whack transmissions from heat buildup trying to do same.. From an "exhibition" type deal, not repeat ability, they make gobs of power.
Did I just get you to admit it? That's all I ask.
Sorry dude this game kind of sucks and I'm bored.
I'll bet you all 5 of my stars that both Honda and Toyota have engineers working on the development of small displacement turbo engines to use in passenger cars.
Saab made a great 4 banger turbo eons ago
So did vw, ever hear of the rabbit?
They ( Honda and Toyota) can make smoother linear more reliable power with a 6 banger that runs on cheapest gas and is cheaper to insure.
Turbo is a niche, requires extra good maintenance and lots of people won't pay insurance for the
These Honda and Toyota people just don't want the reliability issues, simpe as that
Why are Honda and Toyota spending millions of dollars on development of turbo engines?
Virtually every commercial vehicle on the road will disagree with you. They rack up hundreds of thousands to millions of miles on small and large displacement engines with a compressed air charge via an exhaust driven turbocharger, the same one that it left the factory with. Isuzu/Mercedes/Cummins/Caterpillar/International most know something about this...
They could have put a turbo on a Camry or an Accord eons ago if they wanted to, I already explained why they haven't already
1. Smoother more linear power with they're V6's
2. Lower insurance premium
3 less maintenance demanding
4 more reliable
5 better fuel economy
You seem unable to grasp why they don't want to put a turd in the punch bowl they drink the most from
White Boy Hatcher
No, your beating a dead horse, key word being dead.... Lol
My opinion is somewhat limited
RCMB Premium Poster
Then why are Toyota and Honda spending millions of dollars on the development of turbo charged engines?
roundhead is dead? Or Donny Rotten is dead?
The three of y'all sure seem to have similar interests. Just sayin'. You sharin' wireless connections up in there, a la spartyirish and Clemenza?
Fwiw, our A4 has close to 70k miles and we've never had any work done on the vehicle except regular dealer maintenace and it gets great gas mileage.
who is "we"?
gHost and his meal ticket.
Those are all low rpm, low boost, slow spool, narrow rpm usage motors that spin turbo max of 40,000 rpm, generally used well under 3000 rpm with 5-8 pounds of boost
We are talking volatile gasoline motors at high rpm, quick spool, wide rpm range more boost and 120,000 turbo rpms
As I said 30 posts ago, two completely different animals
The OP is looking at a 4 banger car, not a front end loader
gHost - I traded out for an Audi TT recently. fun car to drive.
Based on all your pictures you have posted, i think you would be bored in anything that didn't give you an adrenaline rush or
off road. Figure out which car you think you would regret more if you went with the other one and then make your decision.
If an Audi runs great, you are gold, they go forever. If your Audi has trouble early, you are screwed, it will keep having trouble and every little thing is super expensive to fix.
Having worked on Jeep, hate their gas mileage, makes no sense. Also hat how many corners they cut, and how they took a simple, great vehicle and fucked it up. Should have been the US's answer to the Land Rover, but Land Rover's in a different class. In fact, I don't think I ever saw a Jeep the multiple times I was in Africa.
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