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New AP has five teams ranked in the top 13. Four of the top-10.
I hadn't kept very close track and surprised to see Illinois at 10 and Minnesota at 13. Kills me to see UM and OSU so high. Not being a poor sport but wonder what program is more dirty, OSU football or basketball. Ugh.... We're at #19 which is a touch low.
Point is, I can't remember a time when the B1G has been so highly ranked and with NW and Wisky right there as well.
This post was edited by MLeagueGreen 16 months ago
you think OSU basketball is dirty? i don't think so
Big Ten Basketball is SEC Football. Makes up for the poor excuse of a product Big Ten Football is and has become.
Hoops wise, I think the Big Ten is as clean as it's ever been probably. Lots of talent right now within the Big Ten footprint.
This post was edited by Giant Moose 16 months ago
Wisconsin fucking blows. That makes me happy. Fuck the Badgers!
They've been on probation as recently as a few years ago for cheating in basketball - then some of the top talent in the country magically and continually flows into a school that cares about football first, second, and third.
They may not be cheating. But it does raise a hell of a lot of eyebrows.
Ditto for scUM. Honestly, how Beilein has been able to attract that level talent to a program that's been in the gutter for nearly two decades is a true mystery. Especially when one considers the history of that program and what's traditionally been at play when they get top talent.
The two schools have combined to lose 5 of their last 8, are a combined 13-7, and combined for zero votes in the latest poll.
You have a strange definition of "right there"
They were on probation for inappropriate benefits a player received in the 90's. scUM was also on probation recently; Do you think they are dirty, too?
Not necessarily, but I wouldn't discount it.
How Beilein landed guys like Burke, Morris, McGary, Robinson, Hardaway, etc with that system and where that program has been recently is absolutely beyond me.
He got in early with a few of those guys when they were not ranked as high. He had a lot of PT to offer, and he runs a fun, layed-back system.
This post was edited by The Doctor 16 months ago
hoke- to alter or manipulate so as to give a deceptively or superficially improved quality or value.
He landed McGary because all of the other coaches realized that McGary wasn't nearly as good as advertised.
The B1G hasn't won a national championship is quite some time, let alone have a streak like the SEC does. The B1G is good this year in hoops, but it isn't close to as dominate as the SEC is in pigskin.
Very likely. I've just learned over the years that you can't put anything past the "leaders and best" when it comes to the lengths they're willing to go to win.
The resurgence of scUM basketball has been the most depressing sports development in my lifetime, hands down. Not even a close second (and this is coming from a Mets and Bills fan).
This is the best the B1G has been top to bottom since the early 90's. Come January, I will have the Big Ten Network on pretty much every night. It's going to be high quality basketball this season. The conference championship is going to be a dogfight.
Easier to win a National title in football than basketball.
Burke - 3* that was headed to PSU and flipped to UM. No really good offers prior.
Morris - 4* that Beilein recruited from the get-go
McGary - Beilein was recruiting him before his prep year, while he was at Chesterton, and before he blew up in the rankings
Robinson - 3* that Beilein recruited early, before he blew up and became a 4*/5*
Hardaway - 3* back-up plan that was offered after we whiffed on Casey Prather, a 4* doing "meh" at Florida
Theme is basically that Beilein (or someone on his staff) is good at identifying talent before others. Not sure who should get the credit, but look for LaVall Jordan to get some head coach looks after what he's done with Morris and Burke and, likely, Derrick Walton in the future.
Very debatable, football is dependent on polls and a computer formula, which can very much work against you. B1G basketball would have to to put 2 in the Final Four, 4 in the sweet16, and win the whole thing in my opinion to match most SEC seasons of the past 6 or so years.
Difference is, if the Big Ten wins the title, they'll have done it by going through the best and earning it.
Unlike the SEC, which had the luxury of dodging many of Pete Carroll's USC teams that would have handed them their ass. Most notably 2007 LSU and 2008 Florida. The "dominance" is a BCS-created mirage.
And MSU benefited from dodging Kenyon Martin at Cinnci back in 2000. You can make this argument almost every year for every champion. The SEC has been dominate for about 6 or so years. There is no mirage, they flat out recruit, coach, and play better than any other conference, and by a lot.
Except SEC Football wins National Titles..
0 of those players were mcdonalds all Americans. Beilein is the head of the ethics committee, he is not dirty.
I know most probably won't want to hear my input, but this post is correct. None of Michigan's players were highly recruited, save McGary. Burke, Hardaway, Stauskus, and Glenn Robinson were all 3* at some point. Do I think Beilein is dirty? No, he's built up a program that was in the toilet with guys like Stu Douglass and Zack Novak - hardworking, but not uber talented players. He won with them and winning attracts recruits. As someone else mentioned, it's a "fun" offensive system to watch as well. When recruits see a bunch of threes going up, they take notice. I have the utmost respect for Izzo and MSU's program. I admittedly grew up an MSU basketball fan given Michigan's mediocrity. Here's to building up the rivalry in both basketball and football, because I believe both schools' programs are on the uprise.
This post was edited by fursty13 16 months ago
Go to hell
Bandwagon Michigan fans are bandwagon? When did that happen??
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