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Hey idiot, plenty of Hoke's recruits have seen the field and are even starting.
Please change the thread title. I thought this was about something important.
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Why an I not surprised this turned into a um thread?
It's like we somehow got SEC SPEEED, but for basketball.
Hoke's first recruiting class are True Juniors or RS Soph right now.
Um no they're not. They are sophs and rs frosh
This post was edited by Mekano 16 months ago
It was better in the '80s, and more deserved. Even um was less phony.
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They had 2 things holding them back. A long down period after probation with some bad ineffective coaches (Ellerbe and Ammaker) and they fell way behind in facilities.
They found a good coach with a good system and put a ton of $$ into their facilities. Now they are back. Not a big surprize given their location and the hot bed of basketball talent in the Detroit and the midwest. Bee line has found a good pipeline of sons of NBA players. Dumars, Hardaway, Robinson, Horford. I like that IU and UM are back. It elevates the B1G and should help in seeding for the NCAAs, Much like the ACC used to be.
Follow recruiting pretty closely. Dont think Pipkins was ever a 3 star. By the time he committed to UM he had a ton of high level offers including half the SEC. I thought MSU had a great chance at him since he was a Saginaw kid. Hardly an under the radar kid.
Every time I see him stumbling up and down the court with that greying stubble, his bloodshot eyes squinting at the lurid yellow surroundings at Crisler, I can only regret missing out on such a wunderkind talent.
I'm interested if this is a common opinion?
I've seen 3-4 of their games and have seen nothing to make me think they AREN'T the 3rd best team in the nation. Have put on clinics against quality opponents. Not a ton of depth, but an offensive juggernaut so far.
Not saying they are gonna run through the B1G or go to a final 4... But anyone who doesn't think this Michigan team is damn good is kidding themselves.
They are 3 in the ap poll, coaches poll, espn power rankings, rushthecourt top 25, so yes it's a common opinion.
They are for sure good. Top 3 in the country? Eh. They've got shooters and rebound better and have good balance
Depth is an issue. So is defense and they still shoot too many 3s for my liking
They are talented as they've been in a while, but gotta withhold judgement until they actually play a good team not at home
Did State offer any of those guys? Would any of them besides Burke, who's only other offer was Penn State, start for us right now? If the answer is no, then they aren't that good if Izzo didn't want them. Sometimes guys nobody thought would amount to dogshit become hall of famers. Who thought Tom Brady would have a career after Michigan let alone become a first ballot HOF'er?
You're right. He looks like Robert Parish when he was with the Hornets out there on the court.
This post was edited by aworthlesshack 16 months ago
Hardaway and Burke would probably start. You could also debate whether Robinson and Stauskas would start.
Yes, because the only way UM and OSU can be better than MSU is to play dirty.
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You would start Hardaway over Harris?
I'd start Burke over Appling (just barely) and definitely GRIII over Valentine.
If there were a combined team, I'd start
None of Burke, Hardaway or Robinson were top-100 players when Beilein offered, FWIW, so it's not like UNC and Kentucky are pounding down these guys' doors when Beilein is showing them attention.
Beilein is really good (or lucky, or both) at identifying talent in between sophomore and junior years, then they seem to have especially great senior summer AAU tournaments and senior years that boost their rankings.
As far as recruiting, the recent upgrades to Crisler and the Player Development Center put Michigan basketball facilities in the top 5 or 10 in the country and have really helped turn around recruiting. Assistant coaches Bacari Alexander and Laval Jordan do a great job as well. I don't think they'll be sticking around as assistants too much longer, unfortunately.
This post was edited by hardware_sushi 16 months ago
The way I was looking at it was by position they play the most:
Burke over Appling
Hardaway over Harris
Probably Stauskas over Valentine
Probably GRIII over Dawson
The last one is of course debatable as GRIII is the better shooter and an equal rebounder while Dawson is the better defender. That one is the biggest toss up. And I was also going over how they are playing now, not how good they might be over the course of the year. Obviously if Harris were to continue to improve and Hardaway came back down to earth, there would be more of a debate later in the year, but right now that is how I see it.
Not bad, but I think Harris is to good to ride the bench. If go with.
Kind of small, but that team would run people out of the gym.
This is the correct lineup.
I see your point with the knock on Beilein. I think part of it is though, that he doesn't let the superstars control the program. I think he's had a tough time with high level recruits who are used to getting what they want. He'll never do well with five star recruits unless he gets someone who buys into his system. Same can be said for Izzo. His most talented, on paper, teams usually turn out to be his poorest performing. It's hard to get all high level kids to buy into a system that is team and program first. I think both Izzo and Beilein are similar in this - where as someone like Calipari lets the players run the program. Both Izzo and Beilein control their teams on the court and make players run the offense that the coaches want to see. Some players buy into it. Some don't. I believe, generally speaking, that the lower ranked players are easier to persuade than the superstars.
A. Fuck Michigan. Why does EVERY thread devolve to discussing something about them?! This is an MSU board for christ's sake!
B. Yes, the B1G is deep and talented this year. Indiana is obviously very good. scUM and tO$U are quite good. I'm not sold on Illinois, but Minny is going to be very tough, especially at the barn. The Vadgers are not good, which makes me happy . All of that said, we will be right in it at the end. This team is too talented and too well-coached not to make a run at the Big Ten championship and another Final Four.
C. Since everyone else seems to be doing it *sigh*
Fuck Michigan's players!
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