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If you're not projected in the first two rounds, why go?
I have a feeling all 3 will leave though.
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Nobody owes anybody anything. The focus should be on whats best for those kids.
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Sims and Bell are the two most likely to go early. The shelf life for a running back is short, so I could understand if Bell wanted to go. I think that Bell's departure would hurt the team the most. Who would be our running back in 2013? Hill is not the answer. He has fumbled several times in his limited action. I have not heard much about Langford. Will the freshmen be ready to go? Tompkins, Shelton, Holmes?
Gholston's cousin, Vernon, left Ohio State early and was the #6 pick in the 2008 NFL draft. Vernon Gholston was a HUGE BUST in the NFL. He is no longer in the league. I think Gholston will stay and develop his skill so he is not a practice squad reject like Vernon. Plus, it seems like he really enjoys being a Spartan and is friends with guys like Bullough and Thomas. A good season next year and he should be a first rounder in the 2014 draft.
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CBD brings up a really interesting point re: Bell that I hadn't considered. Conventional wisdom always seems to be - his stock was hurt this year (since early on he was projected as one of the top RBs on the board), he needs to come back to improve it.
However, when you look at it from his perspective, how is he going to improve it by coming back? Scouts aren't dumb. Some of the ways they think seem antiquated to me, but they're not dumb. Bell could have had a BETTER year with a healthier, more consistent OL and passing game, but he's still had a good year and the tape doesn't lie - he's a skilled, agile, big RB who can play the game.
Bell's stock was going to be hurt at the combine regardless of whether he ran for 2400 yards this year or 1400. He's simply not going to showcase elite speed. Is the 40 time overrated for the RB position? In my opinion, hell yeah it is. But Bell coming back next year isn't going to change the fact that he'll probably run in the 4.7 range and that's going to hurt his stock rather significantly.
Add in the fact that another year (behind a relatively shitty OL) will put more wear and tear on him and risk additional injury and I'm starting to think a lot differently about this than I did when I woke up this morning.
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Um. I don't know where you get your conventional wisdom. It's universally known and has been repeatedly stated that an extra year would do absolutely nothing to improve his stock and could in fact be a huge risk. That's been stated about 6 other times in this thread alone.
I think Gholston will return. He's not ready and he's had a subpar season...
Bell and Sims are gone. Bullough will return.
What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...
All the Juniors stay and we win a NC next year!
"Universally known" by the RCMB "wisdom"??? The guy has been good for us this year-- except for the fact that he consistently misses blitz pick-ups that will cause your QB to be killed in the NFL, has been inconsistent in pass catching and does not do particularly well in "manufacturing" yardage. If our OL improves next year (and with Jackson and Fou coming back, one would assume that would be so), Bell's stock will improve significantly running behind a line that actually opens holes.
WTF? Bell is the best pass blocking running back I've ever seen at MSU. Start with Boise and go through the game film.
Bell would likely not improve his draft stock by staying. He's not going to suddenly get a lot faster and any injury would be devastating. I doubt his numbers would improve very drastically. Only thing would be if the RB draft class is weak but there is always RB talent. I think he goes and he might be smart to.
Sims I would say 50/50.
Gholston I think will stay. He could improve his stock considerably with a big senior season. He would most benefit of the 3 by staying by a considerable margin.
Ask Maxwell how he feels about getting killed on two blitzes against Northwestern that were Bell's responsibility.
He's a great pass blocker. Just watch the film. I have no doubt he's missed a block or has had to decide who to take because our oline sucks. But his pass blocking will make him mire valuable to NFL scouts, not less. He's the best I've seen at MSU. Smart well balanced good technique
Always ready to defer to D.Wags on most all issues, but not necessarily here. Sure, you want what's best for the student-athlete. But this is a two way street.
Some gratitude for being on "the stage" and the faith that the coaches showed in Mr. Sims in dark days is not inappropriate to consider in the mix. I'll admit, my bias is that all athletes should finish all four years at MSU and get a degree. Every one with very limited exceptions. I love the answer Red Berenson gives to those who talk about his hockey players leaving early for the EnAchEll. He says that the player has made a commitment to play for four years and he expects the player to live up to it, but if he's really ready for the Big Show, he's going to drive him to the airport. Even a SCum can say something true now and then.
"Those fingers in my hair; That sly come-hither stare; That strips my conscience bare. It's witchcraft." Sinatra
If Bell were to come back, how is he going to signicantly improve his draft stock?
Scouts aren't going to be more impressed with him next year if he has better stats. They have 3 years of film on him already and they know his pros and cons. The only thing scouts would be more impressed with him is if he improves his speed and that's something that rarely happens to a 4th year college player.
All of them should return, but unfortunately that's not the way things work.
He improves it by running behind a better OL than this year with Jackson and Fou back. Seems to me unless you can improve your draft by moving up at least 1 round you leave. He wouldn't want to take on the workload of next season and move up 2 draft picks. Not worth for the risk of injury.
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I selfishly don't wish for any to leave but to make lemonade, if they all left we then can add to spartans in the nfl and help recruiting. Come to east lansing and be the next...he's in the nfl now.
That only works for high round draft picks and NFL stars. Getting 4-5 guys drafted in the 3rd-6th rounds doesn't mean squat - marginal programs like Arizona St., Maryland, Texas Tech, etc. get that may guys drafted every single year.
Javon Ringer was a higher profile guy in college and put up better stats vs. Leveon. How many 4-/5-star recruits have we gotten because Javon is in the NFL?
If Worthy, Keshawn or another former Spartan starts to make pro bowls and/or gets a huge 2nd NFL contract, that will be a game changer for MSU's recruiting.
I think all three will leave. Gholston goes first in draft. Bell goes last.
While I do agree, I am just trying to look at the positives if they leave.
I defer to D. Wags too, which is why his post on coaching carousel wowed me.
Next year this time I will b in INDY!! Gettin ready fo the B1G Championship game!! Win that.. And goin to the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!!
Wow, 0 for 3
One of the main reason cited by the coaching staff for why he saw the field his freshman year is because they liked that he was able to handle the blitz better than Baker and Caper, I have no doubt that he has missed some blocks, but defenses have been running a jailbreak on the Oline all year. There is only so many holes one man can plug.
His pass catching is more than adequate for a running back. He was the third leading receiver on the team his sophomore year, behind a couple guys now earning NFL paychecks. With Maxwell's penchant for predetermining where he is going to throw the ball prior to the snap, there haven't been as many opportunities for Bell this year.
He can't manufacture yardage? He gained more than half his yardage this year after first contact. Is he going to screw you into the ground, ala Barry Sanders? No, but he has quick feet in the hole, and can change direction pretty well for a 240 pounder - though that hurdling people stuff will get him killed if he tries that in the league..
I don't believe he'll be a star in the NFL, but he has done all he can do at the college level to get the NFL's attention. I will be shocked if he comes back
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