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Its a huge, huge stretch to say Gholston can sneak into the first round. He's a late third-rounder according to Walter Football, Kiper and McShay.
MAYBE second. MAYBE. Going early to get in the second/third round for Gholston would be a mistake. He could 100% get back into the first round if he has a good year
This post was edited by Punisher99 16 months ago
all 3 should go. WG is not going to impress more next year than he already has and he will be a star at the combine.
3rd round picks make great money and always make the team.
It's also a huge, huge stretch to say he could 100% get into the first round next year.
Not sure about #2 or #3 TE; if so, then yea, it probably makes sense for him to go. The injury concern is a double edged sword; do you come back to and try to prove you're durable, or do you take the $$ now knowing that you could get injured at any time?
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Yea, Montee Ball was 1st team -AA last year, tied Sanders TD record . . . . and got a 3rd round grade.
Gholston can surely improve on 3 sacks his Junior year and become a full rounded DE but it's his life and not mine so if he thinks he should go than more power to him but he can definitely impress the scouts a whole lot more by being much more productive which he certainly is capable of.
Is it me or was Will really not that impressive this year? You don't think he could improve as a college player next year?
Regarding Bell, there's an article on another site with quotes from Bell that he's already dropped 10 pounds in preparation for TCU (down to 234) and wants to drop 2 more to get to 232 by game day. He says he bulked up for this season because he knew he was going to get the ball a lot, and wanted to bulk up to help his durability.
We are not the same, I am a Spartan
One of the knocks on Ball was his vision and I read a few weeks ago on rotoworld.com that reportedly NFL scouts feel that he improved in that area but as far as Bell goes it's would only be our selfish reasons for wanting him to come back when he should not come back because the window for any player is small but especially at a position where wear and tear can force decline rapidly fast.
Well, he did say "Could 100% get back", which is an interesting turn of phrase .
Statistically, Gholston did not have the same #s as last year (70 tackles, 16.5 TFL, 5 sacks vs. 50 tackles, 12 TFL, 3.5 sacks, though he did play in 2 more games last year), despite being a year more developed. He did have 7 tackles, 5 TFL and 2 sacks in the bowl game, so if he replicates that in this bowl, he'd actually be putting up slightly better "impact" stats than in '11 with 1 fewer game played. You could also say that he had to work harder for his #s this year with Worthy out, and he went from 2 PBUs to 9 and and 3 QBH to 5 this year.
my opinion, no. Why? Obviously, teams are running away from him and are double teaming him. WG played hard this year, he was not loafing or injured. Also, our defense is loaded with playmakers especially at the LB positions who make a majority of tackles for us. There is just not much more impact he can make considering he will constantly double teamed and on the wrong side of the play.
Our D was spectacular this year (top 5 nationally), not much more that can be done. Again, just my opinion.
Also, if he really is a "1st round" talent than that will show at the combine and when he is in the league and he will get paid either way. Coming back just risks too much for him....injury or another low stat year
No chance that Will is a first rounder this year. I don't care what he does at the combine.
I agree with Ron. I don't see Bell returning. He has a NFL career in front of him and the risk of injury is real. Playing behind an unproven line on a team that hasn't developed the passing game makes all Heisman talk mute - think Ball and Whiskey.
Making the decision right after the Bowl game suggests to me he gone.
I think both Sims and Gholston leave as well. Both could substantially improve their draft status by staying for their Sr year but I think they will both grade out well and declare after the BWW Bowl.
All three are Great Spartans. I wish them well whatever they decide.
You love nothing more than to play devil's advocate don't you? Take the tiniest portion of one of my posts that you disagree with and make sure you make a thing out of it.
I said he could 100% get into the first round. Meaning, he has the skill set and natural abilities to play himself back into the first round if he has a good year. The could meaning he needs to have a good year. Do you disagree with that or do you just want to start an argument with me over more trivial discrepancies?
The problem with wanting that pay check is that it won't be guaranteed. His biggest knock right now is his size (too big) and speed (low top end speed). If he goes in the 4th round and is cut then he's pretty much done. If he comes back, drops 15 and improves top end speed he could get in the top two rounds and get some guaranteed money out of it. Both decisions have positives and negatives. I'm not sure what he should do, but I respect his decision either way because I can see the potential benefits of both.
Honestly man, it seems like wishful thinking on the part of MSU fans who want to see him return. His size isn't being knocked, just his top end speed, and you can't really improve your top end speed by a whole lot.
If you're talking about him being cut as a 4th round pick this year, then I doubt there's much he can do to improve his stock to the point of being a first 2 round guy.
The draft position he may gain seems outweighed by the fact he'd log another 300 carries as a SR. He's not Barry Sanders; he's going to be a power back in the NFL and at 6'2, he's going to be taking a lot of hits.
Not just you, with the exception of maybe 1 play per game he was not impressive at all. Rush outplayed him consistently.
Yes, he struggled, but he started to play better at the end of the year. Great game against UW and NU. Terrible though against OSU, UM and ND
Want them all to stay. Sorry, I'm a Spartan first. It's hard for me to believe that 3-year college players with mixed results at the college game are ready to jump ship to the pro's. Neither Gholston nor Bell will get first-round grades and if they develop into starters with long careers they'll be beating the odds.
Sims, well, he owes it to Mark Dantonio to stick it out one more year. Coach D could have easily cut him lose when we had Gannt, Linthicum and Celek on the depth chart and recruited another TE.
All of them should go for their degrees, develop their game and be leaders for their young teammates. IMO.
"Tonight, we show the world what this program is made of!" -- Brian Ellerbe on Mar 4, 2000, the night of scUM's 51-point loss to MSU.
Umm, no. Rush definitely had a bit of a sophomore slump this year.
WTF? terrible? we gave up 17 (finished undefeated),12, and 20 (in the NC) points in those games.
Wow, you're a greedy Spartan first.
Bell has had far from mixed results, has little left to prove and is at a position of high injury risk with a limited average career window.
So only first-round players develop into starters with long careers? Ok.
Sims owes it to himself first to see what's best for him and his family. If that means coming back, then he should come back. Sims has to live with his decision every day, you want him for 12 Saturdays a year.
In all honesty, Bell should go.
But I do think Gholston should stay. I know he just had a kid, but I think if WG came back, worked hard over the off season and had a GREAT season, he would be drafted much higher than he is projected this coming draft.
Sims...Not sure. I would really like to see him stay healthy for a full season. I think that a healthy season would make him an even better draft choice. On the hand, he is already projected to be the second TE picked. So that alone is an incentive to leave.
Who knows. I have a feeling all of them are gone. I don't blame Bell or Sims because the thought of playing another season under Roushar would make any offensive player think about jumping.
If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind.
- Kurt Vonnegut
If LT is as good as Duzzi's saying he is at DT (and we'll see in the bowl game), Gholston could have a monster year next year with less double teams, like he had with Worthy commanding more attention. No significant push up the middle kept the ends pretty much out of the equation all year.
This post was edited by Peteypabs160 16 months ago
I didn't say the defense as a whole struggled, I said that he didn't do anything noteworthy in those games.
Notre Dame I take back, Gholston did play ok. Ohio State he lost contain over and over and he was a GHOST against Michigan.
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