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So I was watching Andy H's epic MSU Gods of March video and the clips of the 2004-2005 team got me thinking about great MSU teams that just happened to not win a title, in this case ran into a damn buzz saw of a UNC team and lacked an experienced true PG.
Sadly there aren't polls here or I'd do one of those but who do you think is the best MSU team to have never won a title?
I think I'll stick with my vote of 04-05, I still think they'd beat any team since that year and they we fun as hell to watch in that tournament.
I'd bet you could make a strong case for '99 too. But maybe some old timers know of some other teams that would great but just happened to come up short.
I always think about the 2010 team when this question comes up. No doubt in my mind that we win the title if Kalin Lucas doesn't get hurt against Maryland. Even without him there was still a good shot.
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I watched the exact same thing. That team was so damn athletic - it was actually pretty striking how different this years team looks to that one. There were just so many highlight fast breaks and alley oops. Damn UNC.
That team was full of guys who could both throw and finish an alley oop. So much fun to watch.
So much talent. I just remember having no voice by the end of the first half at the UNC game. Then Anderson went down and i was a sad panda. And I had a sad drive back from STL
1986. Scott Skiles was on a mission and could only be stopped by a broken, homer clock.
2009 does it for me. BTPOY at point guard, possibly the best defender I have ever seen with Walton who was also a great leader, Some amazing athletes in Morgan, Summers and Allen, great shooter/rebounder with Suton among other things. That team wins the title in any other year but that UNC team was out of this world.
That 05 team never really put it together until the Final 4 run. Underachieved to a 5 seed that year somehow. Amazing collection of talent on that squad though.
I am gravely disappointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.
Lock it. That team was at least 10 deep. KLIF, Summers, Raymar, Suton, Walton, Donger, Draymond, Gray, Allen, Korie, Delvon
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
Glad you mentioned Ibok. That guy came up big for us against Kansas and Uconn.
Izzo hasn't had a stable of athletic wings like that 04-05 team. Ridiculous that a team could trot out wings like Brown, Ager, KT, Hill, and Anderson. Throw in a big like Davis and a developing PG in Neitzel, and man was that team loaded. They took a lot of heat on here though; Davis is probably the least liked player for a man of his talent.
You have to put Zack Randolph's 2001 team on this list. 1 seed, final four, to this day cant believe we didnt snag those back to back rings...
All due respect, that was not Zach Randolph's team. He was a good player but not the best on that team. Charlie Bell, Andre Hutson, and J-Rich all were better. That team could play
Why did people hate Paul Davis again? I liked him.
"If you're worried about Wolverine fans, just move to Pasadena. You'll never have to deal with 'em."
Yeah, that team was incredible. UNC that year, though....they were absurdly good. They lost, what, one or two games all year? It was like playing an NBA team.
probably because he looked like he was crying or eating something sour all the time
I will be the first to say that I hate people who simply mention a different answer to be different, but honestly, the 1989-90 team was so F'ing good. They won the Big Ten and had a #1 seed, but unfortunately one of their X-factor/starters Kirk Manns sprained his ankle a week or two before the tourney (I can't remember the specifics anymore). They got cheated in the classic MSU v GT game where Kenny Anderson shoots after the buzzer, but I honestly think they could have given UNLV a run for their money. People remember UNLV for their incredible stats from 90-91, but in the 1990 NCAA Tourney, they only beat Ball State by 2 points. They were still young and vulnerable. I think that team could have won it all.
Jack said on his show the 1999 team was better than the national championship team. I don't agree with him but he made a compelling case. I thought that team never quite believed how good they were. There seemed to be mental growth curve they had to overcone to could compete with Carolina, Duke....etc. They got to the final four but that win over Kentucky broke a mental and institutional glass ceiling that was there and it showed.
Gotta be 04-05. Shannon Brown and Mo Ager were two of the most athletic wings in college basketball and both could fill it up. Davis was extremely serviceable as a center. Anderson developed his outside shot in that tournament. Chris Hill was a senior (although he went through that slump). Neitzel came right in and did his job.
Four guys on that team ended up playing in the NBA.
Best shot to win (once the FF was set) was in 2010, though. Butler and a weaker Duke squad. But no Kalin finally caught up to those boys....
"Tonight, we show the world what this program is made of!" -- Brian Ellerbe on Mar 4, 2000, the night of scUM's 51-point loss to MSU.
On that note, too, I still can't figure out why the '05 team struggled so much. If sophomore Neitzel had developed into the junior Neitzel a bit early, think we would have had a great shot. Neitzel still deferred too much and the whole squad felt very fragmented and self-serving.
Before the tourney he played kinda soft. He never loved banging down low and would chill like 10-15 feet from the basket and take jumpers instead of posting up or backing someone down and since we didn't really have another quality Big it was annoying if teams shut down our wings or shots weren't falling we didn't have that guy we could dump it into and have him score or get to the line.
Tourney time that year, shit was like a 180, the dude hulked out or something and was dominating Sean May for that first half. AND in games prior had some huge monster jams and was generally a beast. That dude had the most potential of any true center of the Izzo era I think. He had size, touch, good hands, decent enough footwork and speed and decent bball IQ but he just didn't have the toughness...until that March.
He was also a young guy on a team of seniors...I wonder if that was a reason he shied away from demanding the ball in the post, which at 7ft and his thickness he should have done every time down the court that wasn't a break.
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1989, 1993 (sentimental choice), 1986 and 1999 are my top 4 in no particular order. Shawn Respert was the greatest player in MSU basketball history (yes better than Magic in college) and Smith wasn't far behind him. That 1993 team was too reliant on Respert but he alone was better than most MSU teams. I wish we would have seen a Respert that was cancer free to see what would have happened.
Hmm, i'm surprised by some of these answers so far.
You can answer this question in two ways: best team that had the best CHANCE to win a title, but just didn't... or best team overall (talent, etc) that just didn't win it all.
If we are talking about the best CHANCE to win a title, and it slipped by... that would be the 2010 team.
That team was not super talented, and Kalin Lucas (who was one of, if not the best player) was out with a torn achilles.
But we were playing Butler in the Final Four and SHOULD have won that game except for that obvious missed foul on Draymond Green by Gordon Haywood.
If (and again, we SHOULD have) we won that game, we would've played an overrated Duke team in an overall weak tourney.
That was probably the best chance we had to win a championship and some cards just didn't fall our way...
I should stress that the 2010 team would probably be beaten by the following other MSU teams handily: 1999, 2000, 2001, 2005, 2009.
But again, weak weak weak tourney. Unfortunate circumstances.
The most talented team I would say, would be the 2001 team that lost to Arizona.
I think people are completely forgetting how ridiculously good that team was. Jason Richardson was a can't-miss pro at the time, and a clear all-american and top-5 pick. We also had great seniors in Charlie Bell and Andre Hutson. And do not forget the fact that we had two top-5 HS recruits in Zach Randolph and Marcus Taylor. That team may have lost Mateen and MoPete, but it was STACKED with talent.
If I'm not mistaken, I think we set a national record for rebounding margin, we were out-rebounding opponents by like 17 rebounds PER GAME.
We had the talent, the toughness, the leadership, etc.
Then we ran into a buzzsaw in Arizona and had the worst game ever against them.
Other than the 2000 team and the Magic 1979 team, I don't know another MSU team that would've beaten that 2001 team. It's a shame that they are somewhat "forgotten", even though the senior 2001 team is (if i'm not mistaken) the most winning MSU team of all time.
Still mad about 10, and to make it worse rat face won it with a team we could have throttled. Especially if Roe had more than one knee as well.
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2001 az and 2005 unc were identical feelings for me. At the end of both first halves I was like how are we not up 10-12? We should be up 10-12. Bad omen.
I remember just having some REdiculous tos in that uofa game. Just throwing the ball to the other team, so uncharacteristic. That and my recollection is that Richard Jefferson soundly outplayed jrich that day unfortunately.
That would have been my 1st choice, too. Without clockgate, I think we crush N.C. St., slip past Duke and then Skiles wills MSU to Jud's second National Title. You can argue that some of the other teams mentioned were deeper, but none of those teams had Skiles, which by himself raises the bar on the talent level of the team.
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