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Not worse, but very little progression!
Class of 2010
I am so sick of hearing this! Yes, our receivers dropped passes but Maxwell doesn't make it easy for guys. He throws behind them. He throws too high, too low. A good amount of time, his throws are a wobbly duck, which doesn't make it easy on our receivers. And boy does he like to over throw the deep ball. He's terrible.
why do you keep bringing that up?
He's young and inexperienced. He was open a lot at the beginning of the season because teams weren't expecting him. Later teams knew to watch out for him and shut him down. So what? Thats that. He's talented and will be a big help next year.
Max doesn't hit open receivers -- period. The only reason he has a TD today is because his ball was deflected to where it should have been delivered in the first place anyway.
"Tonight, we show the world what this program is made of!" -- Brian Ellerbe on Mar 4, 2000, the night of scUM's 51-point loss to MSU.
So why isn't Maxwell talented? He is also inexperienced.
I don't get blaming Maxwell when just about everyone on offense looks like crap save a couple of players.
My point is I think its a coaching issue.
Coaching is definitely an issue. You probably won't find anyone on the board to disagree with that statement; however, it's also an issue when the most important player on the offense, your quarterback, is completely inept. Can't hit open receivers. Can't make good decisions. Has no intangibles to make me think things will change. Seems simple?
whoa guys I was talking about burbridge since that guy keeps bringing him up
Nah. He's not that talented. Might have a "big arm" (without any touch or accuracy, however) but he has no 'gamer' in him. Receivers look bad because he's bad. Only throw he makes consistently is deep out or deep slant at sideline. Every long ball or seam sails and he doesn't even hit his checkdowns half the time.
Bad is bad.
I think Maxwell is pretty good, so we disagree. He was injured as was alluded to earlier.
My problem was coming off a bye week last week, just about everyone looked like garbage on offense save Bell. There is a major issue on offense and I don't see how anyone can deny it. And I have a hard time judging any player right now due to this.
O'Connor can unseat Maxwell... if they let it be a true open competition.
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O'Connor's film looked amazing. Against better competition than Maxwells too.
It's not difficult to isolate the individual execution of players. Maxwell simply doesn't execute. You can blame it on a bad line, bad play calling, bad this, bad that but the bottom line is when he has the opportunity to make a play, more times than not, he does not execute.
He's at 53% completion with 13 TDs and 9 INTs in his first year. Would like to see a comparison to QBs Cousins, Hoyer, Stanton, and Burke in their first years.
The WRs drop perfectly thrown balls.
I think the bigger issue is coaching and that needs to be resolved first IMO. MD has never had a problem identifying talent.
This post was edited by spartanMF 17 months ago
I love defending a quarterback with a 53% completion percentage. That is terrible. I wish college football had a WAR statistic. I think Maxwell's would be -3.
Did you compare the first-year stats of the other QBs?
All these players don't suck, and Maxwell is not the reason MSU is 110th in the nation in offense.
There is a bigger issue and it needs to be resolved. If you don't see it I cannot help it. Agree to disagree.
This offense makes a screen play look like a fucking root canal. They cannot execute a flea flicker. Hell they cannot execute a bubble screen. Its week 12 and they are working on fundamentals 101. Something is very wrong.
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Pretty much tells us all we need to know about your football knowledge.
Sure, the OL and WRs have struggled this year and Roushar sucks. But Maxwell is an awful QB. There's no two ways about it. His stats are awful. He doesn't pass the eyeball test. His "I'm just happy to be here" attitude is ridiculous.
If he was a RS Freshman I'd have some hope but 4 years in the system and this? No thanks.
Something is very wrong and Maxwell is a big reason why. Why do you blame everyone BUT Maxwell?
I don't blame everyone, I blame the coaching staff. I am defending the players and have said 500 times that its not a talent issue its a coaching issue. This is not the 110th most talented offense in the nation.
My guess is this will not be proven, so I am just going to disagree with the people that lay it on Maxwell.
Go look up their first years. I can wait.
Max's passer rating is abysmal compared to Kirk and Hoyer.
Stop blaming the WRs when it's become clear they aren't the problem. They're "getting open" but they're not "getting the ball" (See: Fowler's accidental TD, overthrows to Sims for TDs, etc). Max can't even execute the simple WR bubble screen because he slaps the ball and it takes him 3 seconds to deliver it.
Good stats, but now factor in drops, receiving talent and the offensive line. You can't hang it all on Maxwell.
I'm excited about the competition between O'Connor and Terry. Maxwell will have to prove his starting position next year.
A man's gotta eat!
It's not all on Maxwell. But he's the QB and the leader of one of the worst offenses in the nation... to excuse him from any criticism given the results and his play on the field is ridiculous.
I think the Maxwell/Roushar combo is a match made in hell for us. Both are in way over their heads and just aren't very good at what they do.
So if he is that bad, why didn't Cook or O'Connor replace him?
Did MD just lose his ability to recruit talented players?
We have offensive talent. We have a great product but a bad distribution center.
Sick of people blaming the coaches, too. Same coaches produced one of the better passing offenses in the conference last year. Players make plays. The system hasn't changed.
Cook is apparently worse and O'Connor a first-year player. Will be excited to see O'Connor next year (if the QB job is open. Not sure Mark D will dump a senior)
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