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We'll it's not that far from thinking coaches don't have twos ready to go if needed and not knowing about depth charts , so really, it's not hard to believe you wouldn't understand that.
Israel and Hamas will be walking hand-in-hand before there's a kumbuya moment in this thread.
Holding out Bell. You don't do that in an "open competition".
Cousins vs. Nichol was once an open competiiton. Ironically, it could even be said to have created a "qb controversey" that season and was seen as a positive when Cousins won the job and everyone knew who the #1 was. Most of us had the same warm fuzzies about Maxwell as the #1 coming into this season. As Vlad has pointed out there was no apparant competition to think otherwise. That shouldn't be the case going into this season.
Once they establish a one, what do you want them to do at practice with the time split? How do you want them to handle it? How will you do it? Each week we're having a split time with the first string offense? What will you do?
So Morris Watts is now Enos' qb coach at CMU. From my research it appears that he was Treadwell's OC at Miami and then was hired to be Pitt's OC but that fell apart with that head coach hiring debacle, and that is how he ended up at CMU. Do I have that right?
No apparent competition. However we saw Taiwan jones take normans place we saw burbridge become a starter so basically only an idiot would think there isn't competition going on and evaluation taking place during practice.
Only an idiot
I knew he was with treadwell and I knew who Enos picked up. You got me on the Pitt thing.
Holy shit. I'm actually agreeing with you.
That is a very good observation though. Hoyer was the same way, and so was Cousins until the second half of his senior year. You can't tell me that good coaching is taking place when we got juniors that look like freshmen and the only noticeable improvement is at the very end of their careers.
Norman wasn't getting the job done, and T. Jones proved to be the better player. No such luck at QB. We didn't develop a fall-back option. It was Maxwell or bust. We busted.
Burbridge beat out a bunch of nobodies who couldn't hold on to the ball. No great accomplishment, given the situation.
We wasted a golden opportunity this year with an excellent defense. The problem with Maxwell is not his ability or his arm strength, clearly. It's not his toughness or leadership ability. It's not his youth. It seems to be a troubling problem. It seems to be his will/ability to win. If you look at our results, all 5 of our conference losses were all very winable games. In all of our 6 wins, we did not win any of them because of Maxwell. I'm not a Maxwell hater by any means. He may very well learn a lot from this season, which I am hoping he does. He needs to play with urgency, which I am hoping he will as a Senior. He has the ability. He just needs to get more moxy and play to win the fucking game. Not just to play it.
Only an idiot believes no competition is going on and evaluation taking place. Only an idiot.
Depends on what you mean by "ready". Did we have a #2 QB ready this season? By "ready", I mean ready to play winning football. No, we didn't.
So really, it's not hard to believe you'd still be arguing a nonsense point.
Yes, coaches play their best players, and yes coaches have backup players. Whether the backups are ready or not, that all depends...
Bottom line is that we had only one QB ready to play football this season. That didn't end well. Let's not do it again.
This post was edited by VladtImpaler205 17 months ago
Only an idiot believes that there was competition at the QB position this past offseason. If there had been, maybe we'd have a viable #2. We don't.
That is pretty much it. He looked straight at Lippet after the snap. He had the time and protection to make 6 reads and failed to make 2. He was throwing it to Lippet regardless of what was taking place on the actual field. Fuck scanning the field and actually recognizing what the coverage is doing. Just toss it to the guy anyways and hope for the best. It did not matter that there were 3 Minny players around him, he tossed it in there like a boss because he will sleep good at night anyways. Despite all that failure we got a touchdown. I loled when i rewatched that play over and over. We hit the jackpot of lucky breaks.
Let's see what happens this December and spring. I'd be shocked if those practices aren't used to mix up the ones and twos. I just think we were at a point where our depth at QB wasn't good enough just yet. You can blame that on staff for sure or the players there or bad luck with an injury. But let's see what the young kids develop as this winter and spring.
Close, but too vague. There's nothing wrong with his "will to win". I'm sure he wants to win as badly as KC did. At least let's give him the benefit of the doubt on this.
His problems appear to be 1) slow reaction time, 2) poor decision making, 3) locking in on primary reads, 4) inability to extend plays, and 5) inability to tuck it and run when necessary. Oh, and inaccuracy.
That's a lot of major problems for a QB. If those things haven't been fixed in FOUR SEASONS, I doubt they can't be fixed in the one remaining season.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by VladtImpaler205 17 months ago
that would fall under the "ability to win" category.
Ok, but that's a pretty big umbrella. I was trying to help you by being specific.
Only an idiot believes a "competition" at the QB position would have been anything but a waste of (extremely precious) time.
First off, do you realize what the offseason is? It's 15 spring practices. That's it. That's all the time the coaches actually get with the players between the end of the season and training camp (with the exception of strength and conditioning). Any "development" or "competition" that takes place in the summer is entirely organized by the players.
Forgetting all that, Connor Cook actually DID get a ton of first-team work in the spring because Maxwell sprained his knee halfway though. Did you forget that? Well, here's the spring game box score if you'd like a reminder: http://www.msuspartans.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2011-2012/gw-2012.html
So after 6-7 spring practices as the No.1 QB and playing for both sides in the spring game, it was painfully clear that Cook wasn't anywhere close to be being ready, and a summer of 7-on-7 drills weren't going to make much of a difference. Why the hell would anyone but Maxwell get the nod when training camp rolled around?
Right now, it is clear that he doesn't have the ability to win, based on the season of work. We lost all our conference home games for crying out loud! He seems to lack a sense of urgency and a good flow to the game. He needs to learn a lot in the off-season. All of the points you made regarding decision making, inability to look receivers off, extend plays, or do practically anything a QB needs to do are all real problems. Problems that must be corrected. Can he? Well that's the $1,000,000 question. We have a whole off-season and bowl game to find out. A lot of our core guys will be back next year. We aren't far off at all. We just need to win the close ones. And an improved QB who plays with a sense of urgency and improves in NECESSARY categories (i.e., ability to win ) will make that happen. The dude needs to improve a lot. He plays the most important position on the field. He seems to act as if winning is a bonus and not a necessity. He is just happy to be there. Fuck that. Win. Be a legend. period. Hopefully the dude steps up as a Senior. If he doesn't we will likely play an inexperienced freshman. However, I think this 6-6 season could be a blessing in disguise. A lot of our guys will be back. Our team will grow hungrier as they have just gotten served with a slice of humble pie. But it's up to Maxwell to improve his game enormously in order for us to win the close ones and I'm not sure if he has it in him. I hope he does. In order to find out, he needs to be challenged to bring his game to another level. Go Green!
This post was edited by SonnySpartanMon 17 months ago
Somewhere in this 7-page thread, you got the impression that I was advocating Cook to get the nod over Maxwell. Not the case. In fact, I've said a couple of times above that Maxwell was our ONLY option this season. And at no point during the season did I favor pulling him in favor of Cook.
The title of this thread is "Better have a 2nd QB ready for next fall". Stop readying anything more into it, unless you disagree that our coaches better have a second QB ready to go come next season.
I do agree that he seemed to lack emotion, and maybe that's the "urgency" you're talking about. Different players react to adversity in different ways. KC wore his emotions on his sleeve. You could tell when he was upset with his own play. Not the case with AM. He's a poker face, which can be confused with lack of emotion/urgency.
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