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I don't know if I agree with that for three reasons. One is all these deals are more than just football, they are about money for ALL the sports and in some cases about forming alliances to help with grant and federal research funding at the universities which is even WAY more money than you see getting pumped into football. Any school would seriously need to consider those financial factors. Two, I think it is becoming more and more obvious that four super-conferences will form at some point and most likely the football playoff will be built around the conferences not individual teams who crave their independence. The point being, I think sooner or later ND will not have a choice if the teams you play and the playoff system itself is built around specific conferences eventually the conferences will have the leverage not the one team. Finally, I give ND all the credit in the world for this season but I still wonder about long term success. It's a great year for them, but they went through around a decade plus of mostly mediocrity before this, so I kinda want to see more before I believe that ND football is truly back and this is not just some fools gold at the end of the Irish rainbow. I want to see long term 5 or 6 years of consecutive 9 or 10 plus winning seasons and BCS bowls before I believe that ND football is back to what they used to be. ND got quite a few breaks this year from the OT game to numerous supposedly good teams just underperforming this year (aka. Purdue, Michigan, Michigan State, and USC). Look, every great team gets breaks but frankly I want to see if this is just a lucky season or Kelly has them ready to roll long term in South Bend.
This post was edited by kubrickfan 16 months ago
The Notre Dame fans just do not get it. Screw em.
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Ok,fine, but don't they also get any BCS payout reduced as well?
Um, no. All BCS money is divided up equally in the Big Ten. Hence why you have schools BEGGING for an invite to join.
I have news for you. Notre Dame was still a huge national power when they were winning 3 games in a season. They always will be. Just like Michigan and Ohio State and Alabama and USC always will be. Teams like us cannot crash that party.
big10 would still say NO about joining if it didn't involve football.
It will be interesting to see where ND stands if the 16-team superconferences happen.
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
But ND will always be on the short end of the stick. The Big Ten is about to have contract negotiations and NBC Comcast will be going hard after that contract, even if it means bumping ND off of NBC.
ND to the Big Ten as a partial member will never happen, period.
This post was edited by tJYD 16 months ago
Yes, because the Big Ten did pass on this. Notre Dame has no value outside of football.
"As noted by ESPN.com Big Ten blogger Adam Rittenberg, Notre Dame had also sought from Delany’s conference the same arrangement it reached with the ACC, although the Big Ten wanted all Irish sports — including football — or nothing."
At least twice in the past two decades or so, Notre Dame has rebuffed Big Ten overtures to shed its football independence and become a full-fledged conference member in all sports.
Actually, Notre Dame only gets the equivalent of what a second team from a conference gets if two teams from a particular conference are invited to the BCS.
"According to collegebcs.com, the Irish won't receive a full share when it qualifies for a BCS game. Instead, Notre Dame will get get the equivalent to what a second team from a conference would get, which is currently $4.5 million. Then, in years in which the Irish do not play in a BCS game, they will receive $1 million from the BCS, about the share a non-participant from a BCS conference would receive once its conference divides it up. "
Waist-deep in shit unless the conference commissioners throw them a bone for some reason and give them some way to qualify for the football playoff outside of the committee's selection.
At some point the exceptions and the provisions for ND will run out..
This post was edited by Lunchables 16 months ago
First off, you're not "us". You're not a Spartan at all so save that shit.
You can't be mediocre for twenty years and not win a bowl game and say you're still a "huge national power". Just like UM...UM is nowhere near the same caliber as Alabama, OSU, LSU right now. Its not even close.
ND has had a wonderful year....they were losing their prestige before this year though.
The Big Ten TV contract is set up differently. Making a bowl or not, each Big Ten school is guaranteed 9 Million dollars from bowl money.
Again, there is a reason that IU and Purdue is lapping Notre Dame in money. It's called having Jim Delany as their commish. In the next TV contract, those schools are looking at 40 million a season. Notre Dame won't even come close to making that in a season just off of TV money.
Unnamed sources from the NY Post are reporting that the 7 schools are leaving the Big East. Will be looking for something concrete before lining. No word if they are dissolving the league or walking to the A-10.
Yep. If ND reels off BCS bids the next two or three seasons after this one (doesn't even have to be the title game) then I'll believe. Until then, I look at this season as an incredible flash in the pan that flies in the face of what has been the norm since the late 1990s. The program won 10 games one time from 2003-2011 (State has done that more in that timespan than ND for crissakes) and their records before this year were 8-5, 8-5, 6-6, 7-6 and 3-9.
It's real simple for ND. Just keep showing me.
Parrish of CBSsports.com is also reporting it. He's their college basketball insider.
if they disolve the big east they won't have any way of getting a big dance invite for 2 years I think.... walking into the A-10 seems the most simple solution... with Charlotte and Temple leaving... it takes them down to 14... then the 7 would make it 21..... play each other true round robin with a 20 game schedule (10 home 10 away)....
from a basketball stand point it actually makes sence....
question is... after the big east name is dissolved... will the A-10, make a grab for the name and change to big east... also interestingly the A-10 tourney was lined up to be in the barclays centre... if the Big East Folds they could potentially move the tourney to MSG....
I echoed the same idea earlier. IMO, the A-10 tourney will move to MSG, pending how much it will take to break the contract with Barclays, and the schools will move to the A-10 instead o forming a new league because they can make more money.
I think Notre Dame would end up like Penn State or Nebraska if they were in the Big Ten. Good but not dominant in football and average in the other sports. That would not be good for their image.
They make enough money from their football TV contract so that they can thrive as an independent.
Good and well, but lets get back on topic. Seismic shift just happened again in college sports.
Rutgers >>> Notre Dame without football
Maryland >>> Notre Dame without football
And just about any other AAU university could be inserted there, with the possible exceptions of one located in the existing BTN footprint.
Bullshit. Big 10 schools will be fine with or without ND. If the Superconference era ever happens, ND's going to need a dancing partner for football.
There will be no formal announcement today, as lawyers from the Catholic schools are debating on how exactly to exit the big East.....dissolving or walking. I also think schools like UConn, Cincy, Temple and USF will try to have a landing spot before anything else is done.
And 60 years ago Army and Navy were national powers. Times change.
Notre Dame is a huge football school. No one denies that. When there are four 16-team superconferences that leave the NCAA and other schools (including Notre Dame) behind, have fun!
Something that has been in the works for years. Big East falling apart and the non-football schools being made to play second fiddle.
In the end, I actually see the Big East dissolving, which should make the A-10 league office very nervous. There are probably 2 scenarios that may play out:
1) The 7 schools from the Big East join the A-10 straight out and make it a 21 team league
2) The 7 schools create an entirely new league, and at the very least pick Xavier, Dayton, and St. Louis to round out the league to 10 teams, all Catholic institutions focused around basketball. Worst case scenario for the A10 is the 7 teams take Xavier, Dayton, St. Louis, St. Joe's, Butler, VCU, and UMass to absolutely decimate the A10.
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