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So how does this impact Rutgers? Do they join the Big10 in 2013?
it looks as if the 7 catholic schools have decided to go...... so the question is what happens next?
there is a very interesting rumour going around of some sort of "national catholic conference"... the 7 big east schools joined by Xavier, St.Louis, Dayton, Gonzaga, Creighton, and possibly St.Mary's
i think that Boise State and San Diego State go back to the Mountain West, BYU will if they can get out of their ESPN deal.... and if they want to expand... they may go after SMU and Houston
Temple back to the MAC for football possibly? or to Cusa..... with memphis, East carolina,
anyway... i think the Big East is dead as we know it....
they "may" be able to leave early, same with Louisville to ACC... pitt and cuse to the ACC a year earlier..... if the ACC get ville,cuse and pitt early, I wonder if they would release maryland early to the B1G?
Well I wouldn't say those ACC teams are any less impressive than the middle/bottom-feeder teams the B1G has to offer seeing as it's not unrealistic for the B1G to get swept this bowl season.
ND had 4 ACC teams on their this year and it got them into the BCS Title Game. Also, you gloss over the legal battle regarding the exit-fee, which at you for doing so. The buy-out was decided via conference vote, the ACC broke zero rules/laws in the way they implemented the buy-out, so quit acting like it's some sure thing that Maryland will get a free-pass in that regard.
If Notre Dame goes 12-0, they WILL be in the 4-team playoff, you might as well get used to that.
Your post has so much fail I don't know where to start. First off, I specifically stated in this very thread "if Maryland gets the exit fee" substantially reduced. Furthermore, the process by which the buyout was implemented was never in question. It's the SUBSTANCE that is in question. The current buyout is about 3 times the value of the ACC's entire yearly operating budget. These buyouts are treated as liquidated damages, which are only enforceable if (1) the anticipated damages in the event of a breach are difficult to ascertain at the time of contracting, and (2) the amount of liquidated damages is a reasonable estimate of the actual damages that would likely be caused by a breach. While the first element probably isn't an issue, forcing a buyout that is equivalent to three times the ACC's entire yearly operating budget is highly questionable. Also, Maryland leaving the conference is not going to result in the ACC losing over 50 million dollars.
As for ND finishing 12-0 and getting into the playoff, the same can be said for Ohio State, Boise State, Louisville, etc. The issue isn't if they finish 12-0. This issue is if they finish 11-1 and there are other 11-1 or 12-1 teams from the B1G, Pac-12, SEC or Big 12, especially the B1G, Pac-12 or SEC which could have their respective champions beat a solid opponent in their respective conference championship games and ultimately end up trumping a ND team with wins over the likes of Purdue, Navy, BC, Duke, Wake Forest, Virginia, etc.
The RCMB...is one of the most awful, alarming, inappropriate, disgusting, and offensive msg boards in the history of the internet.
So, putting the new buy-out up to A VOTE is "forcing"?
You are really reaching by the way. We haven't had more than two teams finish a regular season undefeated since 2004. If Notre Dame were to finish 11-1 and get passed over for a different 11-1 team, big whoop. That exact type of stuff happens in today's system. Fans love it when it works for their team, or screws over a rival team, but they hate it when it's their team that gets screwed. That's how it is for the BCS, and that's how it will be for the new playoff format.
Creighton makes sense to me, but St. Marys and Gonzaga don't. Having two teams that far away just doesn't seem practical, but who knows. If they wanted 12, I would say Dayton, Xavier, St. Louis, Creighton, and take your pick with St. Joe's, Detroit, Duquesne, LaSalle.
Suing for enforcement of the buyout is "forcing."
The difference between the current system and the new system is that there will actually be a selection committee in the future that will take a close look at resume aspects like strength of schedule. A one loss team that just won a CCG, or even a team that finished 12-1 but lost a CCG (especially if that team comes from the SEC) could easily be selected ahead of a ND team with the schedule I previously mentioned. That's the big downside to ND's new ACC deal.
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Being reported that the 7 catholic schools cannot dissolve conference nor take the conference name or auto bid as ESPN previously reported.
If true, like I said earlier, welcome to the Atlantic 21.
12177 Post before moving here. 10/29/11 will live forever in our hearts (plus 50 votes in the last 3 hours)
Let's see, I believe I said "That exact type of stuff happens in today's system. Fans love it when it works for their team, or screws over a rival team, but they hate it when it's their team that gets screwed. That's how it is for the BCS, and that's how it will be for the new playoff format."
Then you responded with the above post, acting as if a committee was some sort of innovative idea, which I can only respond with....
My point: You haven't refuted a single point I made about fans loving a system when it works for them, but hating it when it doesn't. You can go on spending more time trying to think of ways this could possibly screw over Notre Dame, I prefer to spend more time trying to figure out how it can benefit MSU
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"losing Caleb Benenoch is a blow that Dantonio will never recover from. Izzo has lost it as well. Hoke and Beilein own the state."
Duh, a selection committee benefits MSU because it will take out a lot of the political BS involved in the selection for the major bowls apart from the contract bowls of which the B1G will have ties to two. At-large selections for what will likely be the Cotton, Fiesta and Chick-fil-A Bowls will be a lot more merit based on selection committee rankings. This isn't rocket science.
A selection committee in college football at this level is innovative. It has never been done before just like a playoff has never been done before at this particular level. Feel free to keep talking out of your ass if you want though.
I haven't refuted anything about the fans loving a particular system because I never even tried making that argument. That argument is just a red herring and is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is how the system is going to change and the effects such a change will have. SOS will now be taken into account by a selection committee as part of a resume instead of just being a number being plugged into some mathematical formula on a computer. It's not perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than the perfect system.
Dumb. SMU and East Carolina should give up the Big East name, basketball history, and basketball records.
Even if they can't take an autobid with them, forming their own conference might be a better long term solution. Start from scratch on a conference with a manageable amount of similar schools in mission and geography. An Atlantic 10 with 21 schools would be too unwieldy and include both private schools and large public schools.
at you downvoting me, get the sand out of your vagina
Both would get auto bids. Auto bids would go up from 31 to 32. If you leave collectively with seven or more schools that have been in a league for five consecutive years or longer to form your own league, you bypass the NCAA 2-year auto bid competition monitor clause. I don't think dissolving is an option at this point. They're going to have to pay to leave the league. As far as the Big East name goes a) who cares and b) they'll sue each other for it and the courts will award the name of the league to who they see fit. My bet is they won't get to take it but I'm not a lawyer or a judge.
The current Big East will last but barely and it won't resemble anything. It'll be UConn, Cincy, Temple, Memphis, UCF, USF, Houston, SMU, Tulane and maybe they'll just add ECU as a full member now. Navy's not coming. SDSU and Boise aren't coming. The rest have to stick together as they have no other choice. C-USA has filled the places of Memphis, UCF, Houston, SMU and Tulane with Sun Belt and WAC schools (and eventually Old Dominion and Charlotte) and there's no bringing them back, even if Houston and SMU opted out due to the Big East television deal being crappy. UConn, USF and Cincinnati are stuck and have nowhere to go. ACC and SEC aren't expanding anytime soon unless the Big Ten moves again. Schools like UConn and Cincy just have to swallow hard and shake hands with Tulane, ECU and Houston for a year or two IMO.
Seems like the 7 basketball schools would much rather go out on their own and get to 10 or 12 schools to form their own league than go to the A 10 at this point. A 10 is trying to eat before being eaten and that is why they opened discussion first with the 7 schools. They're really afraid they could lose X, Dayton and Saint Louis - three of their strongest basketball programs.
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I'm sure this has been mentioned somewhere in this thread, but I'm still sick of the Big East hype and love from 2009, when they were gods gift to basketball and ESPN said that "winning the Big East tournament was tougher than winning the NCAA Tournament," that "Louisville would destroy us," and that "UConn would definitely beat us."
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The thing that will decide everything is what sort of TV contract the new conference would get. Currently, the Big East has no contract after June and it was being reported that the basketball schools would make only a million or so if everything stayed intact. If the proposed A-21 gets more money then the proposed Catholic League, I say we see the A-21. Bottom line is until we see TV contracts, this thing wil be up for debate.
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In your opinion, would it? Half that league would suck and currently has little to no following even regionally let alone nationally (St Bonaventure, Duquense, Fordham, GW, La Salle, Rhode Island, I could go on with others..). I bet half the people doing those TV contracts with the A-21 wouldn't be able to name 15 teams in the league, let alone 21. It'd be a bunch of dead weight hanging on to Georgetown, Nova, St. Johns, Marquette and Butler if they keep their program up. Gonzaga would be a dynamite addition and could really move the needle. Not sure if the A 10 has a program as intriguing as that.
No way Gonzaga joins a league where all of their road games will be east of the Mississippi. Yea, it would be nice, but the Zags will not drain their budget like that. If it was just basketball, fine I agree with you. But across the board, not economically feisable .
As far as everything else, according to this, they are forming their own league regardless of TV contracts.
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This coming from the poster who actually took time to bitch about being downvoted.
It took all of 4 seconds to type that. Oh, and I'm not bitching about it, I'm laughing at you because it shows how easy you are to piss off. By all means, downvote away! I'm sure it'll brighten your day
This will kill UCF (Central Florida). They joined the Big East (start next year) to get access to the auto BCS bid. And to be a conference rival of USF. They have played in three of five CUSA championship games winning in one. Now they got squat. Not sure if they can jump back into CUSA. This should be interesting to see how it plays out.
Ugh, I had completely forgotten UCF had joined the Big East
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