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Hard to imagine life in that East division being nearly as successful as we could be in the West division.
Being in the West wouldn't mean that we have no access to the Eastern markets, we'd still be playing there regularly, just not quite as regularly. I think we'd have more to sell in our best recruiting areas by showing we have a consistent path to the Championship game (and by, you know...getting there consistently).
It's not about where PSU, OSU, and scUM are as far as strength of their squad today, it's about their financial resources. They are 3 of the top 4 attended football programs in the country, each averaging over 100K per game in 2011 (NCAA doesn't have 2012 figures posted on the site yet): http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2011.pdf
Nebraska is next, at 85K per game, Wisconsin is at 79K per game, we're at 74K per game, and Iowa is at 70K per game. That's a ballpark we can compete strongly in. Expanding by 30,000 seats isn't going to happen, but we can stay with the programs in the 80K seat range financially. Those extra 30,000 filled seats that the three biggest programs have add up quickly. Just assume 30,000 people at $40/per ticket for 7.5 home games a year: that's a $9 million operating budget advantage annually those programs have over us That's a super conservative estimate when you add in things like donation minimums for season tickets, and things like concessions, parking, etc., which may or may not go to their athletic budget (we all know ours does not). Add in historic recruiting advantages in their respective states and probably much higher donation levels overall, and you get a much tougher nut for us to crack.
Instead of looking at it as "wussing out", I think of the West as an opportunity to slide sideways from the shadow that those programs have cast and establish our brand as the top team in that West division, competitive year in and year out. We'd still be playing them, we just wouldn't be playing all 3 of them every season, and we'd hopefully have the opportunity to play them on a big stage in Indy. And yes, DC/Maryland and New Jersey are decent recruiting grounds, but our home state is slightly better than either one of them, as is Illinois (2011: 73 D1 signees in Illinois, 49 in MD-DC, 45 in NJ. 2012: 65 in Illinois, 50 in MD-DC, 50 in NJ). We'll be competing with the same programs for any of the top flight talent, the key is to establish yourself as a consistent winner, and move up the ladder from there.
The last time we made the Rose Bowl we did just that. USC, ND and Fla St.
Completely false. EVERYBODY recruits texas. The Houston Metroplex produces more divison 1 players by itself than the entire state of Michigan alone. That's why the whole country tries to recruit Texas. There are so many quality players.
Nebraska was getting MUCH more than scraps. Losing steam in recruiting Texas WILL hurt Nebraska.
Maybe Hollis has some promise about future moves. But if, who, when any new teams are coming is anyone's guess.
And what's to keep the pods from throwing OSU/UM/MSU into one "pod" to protect the game
And that $9 million you speak of goes to retain coaches, build better facilities, and stuff recruiting budgets.
To ask Dantonio "Hey, suck it up and make a Rose Bowl already" with those disadvantages....to not one, not two, but three programs......isn't all that fair.
No worse than being in the East
Those games went well for us....what were we, 1-2?
I'd say they went pretty well for us, we won the Rose Bowl that year. Haven't you said that is your goal numerous times in this thread, to make the Rose Bowl?
Other than having to play a championship game against a western division team, how is winning the B1G going to be any harder than it has been for the past 60 years?
This post was edited by Rodney Ruxin 13 months ago
If the divisions are based upon geography then someone tell me why MSU should be placed west?
There's little evidence those games helped us to the Rose Bowl. They helped keep us out of NC contention, that's for sure. If MSU would have won all 3 of those games, then you could claim they helped propel MSU to the Rose Bowl.
Its' not. But that's not the point. The point is that A)The past 40 years haven't been so great, have they? B) As somebody mentioned, why break down a wall when you can walk through a door?
1. The last 60 years haven't gone so great for us.
2. Someone is going to have the odds of advancing to the BTCG improved by being in the West - why not us? Why purposely make the road to Pasadena tougher?
It's not, and we've only won 4 titles in the last 46 seasons, 3 of which were split.
However, there is an opportunity for a more advantageous situation in the West division, and this opportunity may never come up again (assuming either these divisions stay put in perpetuity or have a 2 year shelf life before going to 16 teams).
These types of decisions can alter the direction of a program for a generation.
This post was edited by Cap 13 months ago
This cash grab is wrecking college football. Greed is not good.
No need to protect the game in a pod format. 16 teams broken into four pods means each team only has to play 3 games to meet their pod requirement. That leaves anywhere from 5 to 7 confrence gamesfree to rotate among the rest of the conference. That's plenty to include a protected Rival.
Hopefully this will help open up some recruiting in the east. Gotta get some finishers on staff
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
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Hollis needs to raise holy hell on this one !
Don't think you social media clowns are going to stop this. You don't speak for everyone.
You're foolish if you want us to be in the East. In the west we'd have an opportunity to separate ourselves from UofM, and oh yeah a better chance to win games,
Kentucky and Miss State?
"I think the world is run by C students"
It is a reflection of our society in general....so no surprise. There is some truth to the old adage, "Money is the root of all evil".
97.1 FM talking about this right now. They all must read this site...just saying
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