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All this re-alignment gets thrown out the window when the BT inevitably adds two more schools. However, assuming nd doesn't come to their senses, those schools are also going to be eastern-based, (UVa, UNC, GaTech the likely culprits -- more teams I don't want to play annually). This would necessitate another shift, (IU/PU and um go west?), but what's more likely is that with 16 teams, the BT would go to 4-team pods and rotate them.
The best we can do is position ourselves well for the short-term. That means going west. Hollis is on top of it. He put us in great position the last time around, and he will again.
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They have to weigh that with the desire to not have players never play against some schools. There will be enough big games without a protected crossover.
Pods actually work best for preserving rivalries since almost all are geographic.
would protected rivalries count toward overall conference record?
Rittenberg says it'll break down like this, with only Purdue-Indiana debate remaining. Ugh. Worst possible scenario for us.
Indiana or Purdue
Indiana or Purdue
This post was edited by Mog 13 months ago
Loving it. More chances for me to see MSU in person in College Park, gives MSU more Eastern exposure and keeps us playing Ohio State so we can't slack off and fall way behind.
Hollis can't be happy.
We'd be seeing a lot more of this (though it would probably be better if we just took it out back and shot it, to put it out of its misery)
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He'll sell more tickets and have more prime TV games. MSU is ready for the next step and shouldn't cower and hope to face weaklings.
Other than tOSU, that isn't so bad. Penn State will succumb to their penalties and begin to slide in to mediocrity. Michigan - pfft - whatever. The rest are cake walks. I think the west looks more difficult.
I like the idea of playing Penn State, keeping Michigan every year, and the ability to go east with Maryland and Rutgers every other year. I wouldn't say afraid of this division, I just think it's unlikely anyone other than Ohio State is going to see the B1G championship game from this division while Meyer is there.
It's not cowering. He wanted to keep a connection with Northwestern for the Chicago alums. At no point in it's history has MSU played OSU every year.
Other than a guaranteed loss, every year, it isn't so bad.
We'd be about the most talented team in the West every single year. Instead we'll be about the 3rd or 4th most most talented team in the east, depending on PSU. Hell, even RU could have more talent than us.
Worst case scenario.
Yep. It's amazing how many posters would want to base what division MSU should be in based on how afraid they are of OSU.
Chicago alums live close enough to EL that they will always have some sort of connection with being able to get back easily. Moving eastward taps additional alumni networks and is a very smart move.
No no no no. Kiss MSU football good bye if we are in the East with UM OSU and PSU. There's literally a zero percent chance of that happening.
I mean really? Iowa the third best program in the West? Fuck off. MSU would never make the title game if we are in the East. Any Spartan fan who likes this is a complete fucking idiot and its not even debatable.
This post was edited by The_Dude 13 months ago
It's not a fear of OSU. Just a realization that if the goal of the regular season is to get to the BTCG for a shot at the Rose Bowl then the clearest path to that is in the West where Nebraska and Wisconsin pose the only sustainable threat but do so with limited in-state resources and Iowa may pop up once or twice a decade to challenge.
The East, with UM, OSU, and PSU is much tougher to rise to the top in.
No matter what, you can't avoid OSU as you'd eventually have to play them in Indy. But I'd rather have to beat them in Indy then be forced to beat them to go to Indy.
Heck, in regards to OSU or UM, if we were in opposite divisions there mau be instances where we would play them twice. Once in the regular season and once in Indy.
You are afraid of scUM, Ohio State and Penn State. Just straight up loser talk.
For you, and about no one else.
A) Go west were you have as much (or more) talent than every single team in the division, and every season have a chance to go to B1G championship game
B) Go east, you're at best 3rd most talented team (probably 4th depending on PSU's status), basically hoping things fall your way once every 10 years.
It would be fear is we didn't want to play them every year when every other team has to as well. But volunteering to play the hardest schedule we can when the goal is to get to the B1GCG and other teams get cakewalks is absolutely idiotic. It's literally exactly the same thing that kept us from the BBall championship this year, we played all the best teams twice, while those other best teams, minus OSU, got to only play each other once, and it allowed them to appear to have the same success and record in their season while playing a much easier schedule.
I think you don't realize how many Spartans live in the East. NYC-area Spartans and DC-area Spartans will benefit a lot from this move as will MSU itself.
Chicago is a market MSU already has a strong presence in. Plus few MSU alums live in the western Big Ten states like Iowa and Nebraska so getting those networks more involved isn't that important.
I'm taking a wait and see approach because Rittenberg's "sources" started going downhill once he started toeing the ESPN company line so heavily. Nobody wants to talk to him anymore.
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"Hey we went 8-4 and get to watch OSU or UM play in the championship game every year, but we sure played a hard schedule".......
Oh my god. We have to play Mighigan, Ohio State and Penn state to get to a Rose Bowl?
It's like we are in the Big Ten or something.
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