In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 1598
Online now 615 Record: 10351 (3/11/2012)
The largest and most active MSU Spartans board on the web
The place to ask questions to SpartanTailgate's recruiting experts
"The Duff" is dedicated to Michigan State football recruiting discussion
"The Bres" is dedicated to Michigan State basketball recruiting discussion
This is your pulpit to preach to the masses about everything from politics to religion
The place to buy, trade or sell Michigan State tickets
For fantasy football and other fantasy sports discussion
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
I'm not buying it. I don't think OSU and UM want to be in the same division.
Q. When have we ever played all those teams and gone to the Rose Bowl.
A. 1965 ?
This post was edited by WBill19542 13 months ago
Or you could not play all those teams and go to the Rose Bowl, in the West.
I think you may have just said something important. Can you please be specific about what you are saying please?
1.We havent gone to many Rose Bowls since then. No matter who we played
2. PSU entered the conference after our most recent Rose Bowl.
Divisions aren't built for fans you moran. It doesn't matter where the alums are when our team isn't playing for B1G Championships every year and interest in the program drops. First priority is to keep our program at the top of the B1G, and the best way for us to do that is for us to be in the west.
1 we played Penn State in 1965? Even so, they weren't the Penn State of today.
2. We were able to get playera from down south that we wouldn't stand a chance with today thanks to the institutional racism of the day.
3. Having to go back 48 years to give an example of something happening doesn't exactly support a claim that this situation won't be a hinderance to future success.
The game drastically changed two years ago with divisions and the B1G championship game, how it worked before that is irrelevant to what we need to do now to get to the B1GCG as often as possible.
Every source has said otherwise, they saw the past two years how interest in "The Game" has gone down, if they were playing for their division the last week of the regular season it would be a nationally important game. Makes sense for fans and the programs. the only person who benefits from they being separate is Delaney if he can ever get his mythological UM v OSU CCG.
You don't think the university president would travel to DC to visit with major donors and other influential, connected political people when MSU plays at UMD? Sports events are often a way to cultivate things like this. It's not just about the football game, silly.
Also, our program can be at the top while playing in the East. It's losers like you who think that we have to be in the West and face weaker competition to achieve our goals. You are just afraid of playing top programs. Just admit it.
This is just a move to glorify the OSU-UM game at the end of the season in hopes that it will generate a "winner of "THE RIVALRY" plays in the B1G Championship." type of game every year.
Nothing to see here.
It's not about quality football or geography. It's about money. If the schools bring in new markets for the BTN, Delany will grab them. He'd rather have a community college in the DC area than bring in another team from the Big 12.
Worse case for MSU football. Which basically means its Rose Bowl or bust this year. Who knows next time we'll have the chance
Really pissed Hollis allowed this
I've already explained what fear is and isn't. Playing a tougher schedule than everyone else doesn't make us big, bad and tough, it makes us chumps, like you.
This post was edited by J_LaP 13 months ago
Unlike basketball, playing a loaded schedule does you absolutely no good.
Look at MSU football 2012:
"Wow, look at our schedule!! BSU, ND, OSU, UM, WIS, NEB, IOWA!!!!"
The result?? 6-6 (And recruits like Drake Harris call our program beneath others) Would he have said that if we went 10-2?? Doubt it.
All you need is a couple of Big Time games each season, not one, after another, after another.
Lol- the current setup has things going our way every 25 years or so. Every 10 is an improvement.
Best case now is B1G goes to 16 ASAP, and we split into pods (with us likely with UM)
The current set up has only been in place for 2 years, and one of those years we were one penalty away from the Rosebowl, I think your history isn't quite right.
The conference is shifting east and demographics are a big part of it. Marketing is a big part also. The action is in the East. MSU would be foolish to not want to be part of that.
This post was edited by ErnieMcCracken 13 months ago
Forget having to play scUM, PSU, OSU every year.
How does the B10 think this resembles anything close to competetive balance?
4/6 top programs in one divsion
MSU UM OSU PSU v WI NE...NW
This post was edited by Mookie Blaylock 13 months ago
I'm talking about the B1G championship game (which we were just in 2 years ago).
Think about it, say we split 3-way with OSU/UM in a given year.We beat UM, UM beats OSU, OSU beats us. We all go 7-1 (or 8-1)
Who goes? Well, based on tie-breakers, it would come down to BCS ranking. You think we'll win that vs two name programs (see 2010 tiebreaker)???
So, even if we tie for the division, we're at a disadvantage vs those two (or three with PSU).
And winner talk would be someone who'd want to start last in the Indy 500 because they are tough and they can overcome it and they aren't afraid of anyone else, right? What's a challenge and giving your opponents an advantage, nothing right? Well I'm sure the guy sitting on the pole would laugh at your stupid pride for thinking it makes you better, when he wins the race. You're an idiot if you think playing harder competition than the rest of the conference is a good thing, wanting a disadvantage just to say you're tough. I'd rather not have to say we're tough, because our asses being in Pasadena would be enough talk and being in the west gives us the best chances to do just that.
Winner talk = wanting to put yourself in the best place to win
Loser talk = wanting to have a claim to a moral victory of toughness when you lose
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports