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For as much as I've read, I understand Dawson's calling is at the three. It seems like he's been shooting the ball more this year than he did last year. Can he develop into a legitimate threat to shoot the ball from all over too? The guy is unreal in the paint because of his athletic ability, but his shooting isn't on the same level. I know he's been working on his shot in the gym, but I'm curious what everyone's thoughts are on his development as a player and whether he will be a three that can score from everyone or a freak-athlete four. It seems his NBA potential lies with the former...
(If this has been a topic before, I apologize. I've only been on tRCMB since this past summer.)
He couldn't work on his shot this summer as he was kind of busy rehabbing his knee. This summer will be big for him.
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In my opinion, improvement can be made in season, but the main improvement from his shooting will come from this off season I hope. He really has stepped up the last couple games.
I agree with you, I don't see him being a four in the NBA. My hope is to really see his progression as a Spartan and to stay four years and really work out his shooting touch.
In warmups and games when he shoots, he doesn't seem to have a lot of lift with his legs, which is very strange because of his great athleticism. Also, he seems to release his shot when he is coming down from time to time. Definitely needs work, but I think he gets it down, he can really turn into a great player.
He needs to work on his ball skills before his shot. A go-to move from the perimeter needs to come first, he's an incredible finisher.
The frustrating thing is that he'll pull plays out of his ass like in yesterday's game that leave you very impressed. The drives to the basket were very smooth in the 2nd half and that pass he dropped off to Payne was beautiful. Plus coast to coast with the block and spinning finish was also very nice. If he can give us a ball-handling presence at the top of the key that can drive, finish, or dish it off... the sky's the limit for him.
He has really shown me he can be a pro with his play the last few games. His ball skills are still lacking, but I;ve seen a big improvement. He's also seeing the court better. He basically can get to the rack at will. He will have to develop the jumper though if he wants to be a 1st round pick. It appears a sitch has been flipped for him though, look for him to be our best player the rest of the season.
Like everyone will say, if he develops a set of handles and a jump shot he is a NBA lock
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Alando Tucker was a beast from the top of the key, used no more than two dribbles. Dawson with a go-to move would be scary to defend
He reminds me so much of KT in that aspect, and he developed a very good outside shot. If Dawson can mimick KT's shot development, watch out.
If we can trick Coach Krzyzewski into saying his own name backwards, perhaps he will be pushed back to the fifth dimension
It was mentioned by the color guy on a recent broadcast (not last night) about the timing of his release on his jumper. A vast majority of the time he releases on the way down and that is where most of his misses come from. If he gets the timing of the release at the top of his jump his shot looks pretty good and usually goes in. Considering he lost last summer to knee rehab this is an important summer for him.
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Dawson has no chance of being anything other than a small forward / wing player / 3 in the NBA. Way too small to be an interior player / power forward / 4 in the NBA.
He has improved his jumper a little, but he's not consistent with his form. As someone else mentioned, he releases on the way down. There was a game earlier this year that he took a jumper in rhythm and released at the top. Even the commentator in that game mentioned how that has been the main flaw in his jump shot. I haven't noticed him with that same release on a jump shot since then.
I think you'll see more consistency in his shot next year after having a summer to work on shooting and dribbling.
Dawson to me has excellent instincts. Defensively he is adept at anticipating passing lanes, good weakside shot blocker, and generally has a good nose for the ball.
That said, this year he appears to lumber getting up and down the floor, as he has a distinct lack of end to end footspeed, compared to how a guy his size that is an elite athlete would be expected to run.
I didnt really notice this last year, so i suspect this in large part is due to the surgery, and it appears to me he looks heavier than last year.
In order to play at the next level, his lateral quickness, footspeed, intensity, and ability to hit a midrange jumpshot all have to improve. His ballhandling skills have been beat to death.
Hopefully this coming off season he stays healthy and can continue to work on those areas.
If those are shored up, he could well be ready to play at the next level after his junior campaign. But...the above question marks pretty much all need answered, and he will have his hands full getting them all squared away.
The on and off again intensity level probably concerns me the most, and its likely the easiest area to shore up.
He has to want to improve, i hope he indeed does.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Mudjin harbor 15 months ago
I certainly hope that no one gets in Dawson or Harris' ear and convinces them that they are ready to make the leap after this year. Part of my reasoning is selfish but they truly need to continue to develop their games. If Dawson starts hitting jump shots this year, I could see him feeling the pull to the league and I'd hate to see him be another 2nd round guy that doesn't make it.
He needs to improve his jump shot, and add the ability to take people off the dribble. With that body and those skills, he would be a lottery pick next year.
He definitely CAN become a shooting threat, but he needs a lot of work on his mechanics. He doesn't always look comfortable with the ball unless he's going up for a dunk. His jumper right now is awkward at best, and teams know they don't have to defend it. Hopefully he will stay healthy this year and be able to put in the work this summer. Right now, I'd say he need to work on getting a consistent release, and his footwork. With even a semi-reliable jumper and decent handles, Dawson can be a complete nightmare for opposing defenses.
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Green was selected in the second round.
Dawson currently isnt in the same area code as Green was when he graduated.
Green was a better ballhandler, shooter, rebounder and post defender than Dawson currently is.
Dawson has perhaps more upside...perhaps..... but is miles away from getting anything close to a serious look at the next level.
Harris is obviously much closer than Dawson, but even Gary is at least another season of continued improvement away. Plenty of guys 6'4" like Gary who arent playing that are very good. The smaller you are, the more you have to be turn key, and he isnt there yet.
Payne developed a decent jumper.
I don't disagree with anything you said but the NBA is all about "upside". The more you play in college, the more your flaws are dissected and the less perceived upside you have. As far as Dawson getting a look at the next level, NBA draft express has him ranked the #14 sophmore and projected #27 pick in the 2014 draft.
Again, he is not ready but if he has an explosive Big Ten season, the pull will be there.
This post was edited by Broiler 15 months ago
Addition by subtraction. If someone of Draymonds skill level was a 2nd rounder and Dawson isn't even that, we should be giddy at the prospect of him leaving. Right Roundhead?
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Dawson could play some 4 in the nba because of his strength, physicality, and rebounding ability. Look at lebron and Carmelo they both play the 4 at times because of the matchup problems they create. If Dawson improves his handles and midrange shot he could play a similar role as well ( I am not comparing Dawson to either, they are just an example).
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by mich_nole 15 months ago
What is your basketball backround that makes you think you are such an expert? Serious question.
Who said i was an expert?
I have never claimed to be.
I just express my opinion, like everyone else does, and let objective people decide if the arguement/opinion is worthy of merit.
Instead of being an ass, state your opinion and or what you disagree with, and we can discuss it.
Lots of extremely effective college basketball players dont get drafted. Dawson starts for a top 25 ball club at a national power.
He is a good player, but has a long way to go to play at the next level. Nothing wrong with that, kinda glad he will serve his internship here, actually.
This post was edited by Mudjin harbor 15 months ago
"His internship". He's a basketball player not a used car salesman.
Dawson needs to live in the gym this summer. The two single greatest offseason improvements players made to their jumpers in the offseason was Mo Pete between the 97/98 season and the 98/99 season and JRich between the 99/00 and the 00/01 season. Those guys may have had a purer initial jumper than Dawson but if he has that level of work ethic there is no reason he can't become a 35% 3-PT shooter. If he added that to his current skills he's a lottery pick.
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