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Why are these guys ranked so high, and more importantly, why are they considered a 1 seed in some "experts" brackets? I've seen them play parts of a couple of games, and they look good, but their competition is pretty weak. Looking on paper, they are 1-2 vs ranked competition, with their biggest win against a #22 Ok State. Is there something I'm missing?
I was just thinking the same. It's not that they aren't a very good team, they just haven't proven they deserve to be top-5. They keep moving up because teams ahead of them are losing, but this isn't football. I would think at some point a major conference team beating a highly-ranked opponent has to trump Gonzaga beating up on a bunch of altar boys in the WCC.
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They are Boise State for basketball. They would be a bubble team if they played in the B1G.
There are so few good teams out West, I think they benefit from tokenism in poll voting.
They are really in a great situation. Look at what they were able to do:
- Become a constant "cinderella" for 3 years
- Keep winning first round games most of the time
This has helped play up their national perception. At the same time:
- Play in a small time conference where you will maybe have 2 decent challenges per year
- Play most of your games when everyone is sleeping
They have strong name recognition based on things they did a decade ago, and because they rarely play more than a few solid teams a year, and most of their games are on at 10:30p or later EST, nobody ever figures out that they are not really that great
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Harris and Olendyk are nice players. They're probably O$U level good.
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I love them because I'll pick them for my bracket to be knocked out of the tourney by the 2nd round, and they almost always follow through for me.
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I agree about them this year. Remember that Butler beat them without Rotnei Clarke. I think there are a few factors in play. The first is that they keep winning (nevermind that St. Mary's is down) while other really good teams keep losing. The second is that the West sucks this year so they might be getting hype since they're either the first or second best team west of the Rockies. The third is that they have a little bit of a name so people are assuming they're the same Gonzaga team.
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They ARE a talented team, though definitely not one of the five best teams in the country. I think people are just so desperate to have a team outside of the traditional powers making some noise that Gonzaga gets constantly overhyped. For them to be taken really seriously they need to make a deep tournament run, which is something they've never done.
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On the bright side of things, the NCAA tournament committee has proven over the years to not fall into the hype for a team like Gonzaga. They might be ranked in the top 5 in the polls, but they're 12th in RPI. Their loss to Illinois doesn't look nearly as good as it did early in the year. I'm not calling it a bad loss, but it's a game they should win if they're really a top 8 team. They're clearly the top team in their conference (beat St. Mary's twice, their only real competition) and they won games against big name schools in the non-conference schedule (Clemson, Oklahoma, Kansas State, Baylor, Oklahoma State).
The only tough game they have left is @BYU (and I use the word tough very loosely), so get used to the Gonzaga love.
As for those that say they'd be a bubble team in the Big Ten, you're crazy. This is a tournament team no matter what conference they're in. They're probably a top 5 team in the Big Ten and this year, that's saying something. Honestly, to me it would be MSU, Indiana, Michigan, Gonzaga and OSU as the top 5 in some order.
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They have some nice players but they're alllllll hype at this point. They lost to friggin' Illinois AT HOME by double digits. Take any other team in the West Coast Conference and give them Gonzaga's resume, and they don't even come close to sniffing the top 5.
As far as mid-majors go I would much rather face Gonzaga than Butler or VCU.
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Once the Gonzaga program was confirmed underrated, it became overrated.
That Illinois team was playing 1000 times better than they are now. That Illinois team also beat Ohio State by 20 and beat Butler by 17. The fell apart for 7 games in the middle of the Big Ten season, but they just beat Indiana at home, Minnesota on the road, and crushed Purdue (like they should). Don't sell the Illini short.
I don't think Gonzaga is a top 5 team, but I think they're a top 15 team. They're non-conference schedule wasn't a cake walk like their conference schedule.
Legit top 5 teams don't lost at home by double digits to Illinois. Period. I don't care how well they were playing.
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They are in Spokane WA. Almost 300 miles, over 4 hours from Seattle and about 350 miles over 5 hours from Portland. No easy way to get there so a lot of coverage is done by local adoring press. Not too many mebers of the national press/media willing to spend a week in Spokane. Lots of time to smooth things over with a friendly press and law enforcement if a problem arises.
Gonzaga doesn't guard anybody. They never have. Illinois had more wide open 3's in the Gonzaga game than they would in ten games against the Spartans.
That said... Olendyk is admittedly a great player.
Why is everybody saying Olendyk. Isn't it Olynyk, or am I in the 10%?
Doubting Gonzaga is like doubting MSU.
There are no sure fire 1-seeds this year. Basically every team 1-seed contender has a bad loss on their schedule except MSU and IU. MSU and IU have Michigan to deal with, so neither of them can be locks.
Gonzaga lost to an Illinois team that can get hotter than any team in tB1G if everything is right. They also lost @Butler on the last possession. Yeah, they don't have the SOS, but there aren't 4 teams deserving of a 1-seed right now.
Right now I'd say it's IU, MSU, Miami, and Florida, with the loser of MSU/IU falling off the 1-line (very possibly temporarily).
We definitely want Gonzaga to pick up a loss, so the best they can be is #2 in the west. The west region will likely be the cushiest path to the FF.
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Since 2001, Gonzaga has been to 2 Sweet 16s.
MSU has been to 6 Sweet 16s, 4 Elite 8s, 3 Final 4s and a national title runner up in that same time span.
Gonzaga built their rep from 1999-01 when they went to 3 S16s and 1 EE. They haven't done much in the tournament since to back it up. They've gone from cute Cinderella to over-rated mid major.
What Mark Few has done there is outstanding, but I think they're getting the benefit of the doubt for what they did 12-14 years ago. Few has gone out of his way to schedule tough OOC and they've had success, but not much in March when it counts.
That loss at Butler was also when Butler was missing their leading scorer.
Jud cheers for them. So STFU.
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